Starmer talking tough. The Right have done a number here.
Are the UK Prime Ministers somehow getting worse or have the place become an ungovernable mess?
Labour seem to have won the last election mainly because most people wanted rid of the Tories and even then most of the Tory vote went to Reform.
Starmer has been a disaster since he took over and the stuff today with Rachel Reeves looks absolutely terrible for both him and Badenoch.
I wonder how long he will last?
Farages time is now
Does Farage even want to be PM? Surely being in opposition and objecting to everything is a handy number and he has a bunch of lucrative TV and speaking gigs.
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He inherited a shit show to be fair. The tories had ran the place into the ground, and the extent of it is still only becoming apparent. In saying that, Starmer can go fuck himself.
Yep, they were left a mess to clean up but they arenât exactly doing a good job of it. it seems to be a shambles.
They committed economic and political suicide with brexit but canât admit it or go back on it and theyâre in a world where their traditional biggest ally has become a fascist state that would now burn them and is openly interfering in their politics. They have all the stored up problems across all sectors that the tories left and their economy is in the shit so they have no money to invest to address them and theyâve cut themselves off from their biggest trading partner. Theyâre up shit creek. I donât know where they should start. Stop actively assisting Israel to commit genocide would be a nice start.
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Starmer does more than youâd think. Heâs the antithesis of Johnson. Going on selling arms to Israel is absolutely indefensible, but I think he does most of his work behind the scenes. He is universally liked on a personal level, is clearly intelligent, works hard, and is a decent human being. Thatâs a very decent start.
If he comes out openly against Israel, the MSM will persecute him until heâs been hounded out of office, at which point he can do nothing.
It may be he is simply being pragmatic.
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And oddly, the man who caused the mess nore than most doesnt get any blame for it
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I guess you mean Farage? Sure he gets an easy time of it, those Brexit lads have an answer for everything anyway. Parliament blocked a hard Brexit, what May tried to get through parliament wasnât a good deal etc etc. Blaming all around them because nobody could deliver the impossible Brexit they wanted.
Thatâs why I donât think Farage probably wants to be PM. What sort of mess will he be landed with in another few years?
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Yeah, just weird that his baby brexit has fucked up england beyond belief yet he is the most popular politican
The UK economy is fucked because of Covid. The cost of Brexit is only a rounding.
Itâs fucked for multiple reasons.
Other economies arenât fucked. They also had Covid.
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People are a bit more predisposed to hyperbole now. Do you really think Starmer is that bad or is it just a function of a discourse that is fairly toxic, tribal and fragmented? Remember even he actually got quite a low vote % for the number of seats they won, suggesting that they were actually swimming in their core vote.
Voters are both simultaneously more predisposed to bullshit (Trump, Boris) and also less tolerant of mistakes. The centre getting squeezed.
Additionally I believe individual politicians are now able to solo run it like they couldnât before. You see it here with clientele politicians and also the ones with hard ideology positions. A politician like a Joe Higgins never had a social media platform like a Paul Murphy does and, as such, he found it harder to retain his seat consistently.
Tangible Voting coalitions are quickly dying as well, with people far more individualistic and focused on vibes. The ones in their place are based on intangible things like MAGA and Brexit rather than a Trade Union or even a genuine religious vote.
In the U.K. Labour have such a big majority that with the cocktail above you have scenarios like what happened play out. You have backbenchers who donât live in fear of rebellion because really it might be the only way to save themselves (as mentioned, they arenât on a high % vote). 20 years ago you just had a couple of lone wolves like a Jeremy Corbyn voting against his own government, now it could be the default position.
And if you look at the Tories the last time out, rebellion was almost standard for years and they changed leaders repeatedly. The menu has been set that dysfunction is normal.
I donât think politicians do themselves favours (and the centrist ones have played the bullshit game themselves and are culpable) but we live in strange times. Whereas once you had the scenario of a Christian Democracy party in Italy collapsing once every 20 years maybe, now we seem to have this happening regularly.
I think a concern in the U.K. is they have such an accidental system that is based on conventions that it canât have a balance like we have with PR (even though we have similar factors).
I think Starmer is cooked but thatâs a function of the frayed political environment.
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Why was Reeves upset?
The Times always take a very anti Labour slant on things.
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Just like you were sayingâŚ
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Itâs Murdoch. I was sat beside a senior Irish business editor at a function recently who knows him and said
- Heâs utterly paranoid about immigrants
- He just wants to watch the world outside his own burn
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Hoyle is an absolute cunt
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