Fucking young people exercising their democratic rights what bastards. Stupid idealists the lot of them. What do they want a fairer society?
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Blah blah blah, if Miliband won then Corbyn is never leader. Which is what you quoted from Ashman.
I told you there I would have preferred the coalition to continue and no referendum.
Like all socialists corbyn has never done a honest days work in his life. He comes in like a creepy auld lad offering free sweats to youngsters to win them over. Free houses, free health care, free education, free everything. All paid for by the magic money tree of course. For yet another shinning example of socialism, just look at Venezuela right now
No point wasting money on education when you could be using it to buy favours from the DUP.
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Well I think this deal could well educate a lot of Brits about Norn Iron so technically the 1 billion is technically investment in education.
Obviously had Miliband won, Corbyn would never have become leader, because Miliband would have been Prime Minister. Also, tomorrow is Thursday.
The Tories specifically campaigned in 2015 on a platform of holding an EU in/out referendum.
Therefore, anybody who voted for the Tories or wanted a Tory-led government in 2015 was voting specifically to put the UK’s membership of the EU at risk.
The referendum would have happened whatever form of government the Tories were leading, by the way.
The Tories gave the Liberal Democrats their AV referendum during the previous parliament, so they would have been able to decide whatever they wanted as regards holding an EU referendum had that government continued beyond the 2015 election.
Only a Labour-led government would have prevented it.
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Presumably you prefer borrowing to spend. That’s what the Tories have always done far more than Labour and it’s also what the Republicans do in the US.
That’s magic money tree economics.
Ensuring your tax base is robust so you can actually afford to spend is the opposite.
It’s the very definition of financial responsibility.
That’s what happens in Scandinavian and northern European continental countries.
I agree with @Sidney on most of this.
The Brits have been wishy washy about the EU almost since they joined. Cameron was afraid of the threat developing of UKIP so he gave the right of the Tory party their referendum. He will go down in history as one of the more useless PMs with Neville Chamberlain, Anthony Eden and of course, Theresa May. If he had anything about him he would have told the Right to fuck off. Having said that, Merkel and Co gave him nothing in terms of concessions to take to the country to pass the referendum.
The referendum campaign was a shambles. “Project fear” that worked for the Scottish vote didn’t work this time. The Brits were fooled by a “promise” to invest some of the money saved on subs to the EU into the State religion, the NHS.
A big factor in the leave vote was anger at immigration levels, pure and simple. Too many foreigners coming in, taking our jobs, undercutting labour rates etc. That plus the immigrants that don’t integrate into the British way of life, whatever that is.
The UK economy needed all the immigrants over the past ten years because the natives wouldn’t work to warm themselves because of the structure of the benefits systems (but that’s another story) and because the economy was growing (or recovering).
Now the UK has to deal with extracting themselves from the EU. They have as much idea about how to do it today as they had this day last year, ie none. Between the referendum last year, the negotiations for exit and the implementation of whatever form of Brexit is agreed, they will have wasted the bones of a decade on Brezit. Time and effort that could be spent better on resolving economic and social issues.
If May has taken back all the UKIP vote she would have won. But she didn’t, she tacked left to take “Vote Leave” Labour voters with things straight out of Milliband’s manifesto (Energy price caps, worker representatives on boards, the highest minimum wage in Europe, increased debt and spending). But there was no way that traditional Labour voters would ever vote Tory.
Would Britain be in better shape now if Milliband had won two years ago? Probably yes, because a decade of pricking around on Brexit would have been avoided.
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It is absolutely true that May wasted time trying to win Labour areas but remember lots of UKIP voters went home to Labour. Labour’s immigration policy and whole approach to Brexit is as wishy washy as the Tories.
She did in fact get the highest Tory vote in decades.
They relied on the youth staying at home like Brexit but all credit to Corbyn on that.
An In Out referendum was inevitable at some point though, every party at some stage mentioned the R word with the EU. The problem was what you mentioned during the campaign. The Tories and Labour both deserve blame for losing it, the Tories in particularly obviously. It’s hard to disagree with Chris Patten on this.
A referendum is never a bad thing . People voting is good . The bastards dont like people speaking .
“A necessary evil”
Not so. The rights of a minority should not be decided by the tyranny of a majority.
Your assertion also ignores the obvious practical impossibility of having a referendum on every issue.
There’s no need for voting pal, the socialist intelligentsia know what’s best for the booboisie.
The people have spoken , the bastards .
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If you understood the UK system you’d know that parliamentary sovereignty takes precedence over any vote in a referendum.
The electoral college exists in the US because the authors of the US constitution didn’t trust direct democracy.
I don’t think they were socialists.
And of course if all votes counted equally, as they should, you’d have a different president.
For such a defender of “democracy”, I didn’t hear you moaning about that.
Yet another thing you’re a hypocrite on.
It would be helpful if you took some time to develop a basic understanding of politics.
I hate to see you being embarrassed all of the time.
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Still moaning about Hillary’s loss 
Do you still not understand the American political system after all this time? The Founding Fathers in their great wisdom came up with a great system which has served the US well for over 200 years. The most important thing it does is to empower states, especially smaller ones, as it incentivizes presidential candidates and sitting presidents to pay attention to places other than large population centers. What the US (and Brexit) elections demonstrate is what happens when you ignore whole areas of the country as Obama did. In fact, he openly despised voters in rural states. As did Hillary who called them deplorables and refused to campaign in Wisconsin for example, the arrogant stupid bitch.
Liberals didn’t just lose the presidency, they have lost all three branches of government. They will continue to lose if they continue their drift to the left, as there is very little support for left wing politics in the US, except for spoiled college students (who generally grow out of it) and those on welfare. Fortunately the majority of able bodied people in the US still want to work, so the Democrats are toast for the foreseeable future.
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