US Politics - A Society in Meltdown

and maintaining an INTERNET persona

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You shouldn’t feel the need to validate yourself to people on the internet, pal, but thanks anyway, I was only buzzin’ off ya

Barely…

You must be a glutton for punishment.

If it was a multi party system like here the squad would be in people before profit or something, all but irrelevant, but the two party system means they are a force to be reckoned with, especially with trump so repulsive for so many.

Only married them for their money

An oldie but goodie

They wouldn’t, but in a PR system most of the Republican party would be in the American Nazi Party if they ran on their current policies

Here’s Ocasio-Cortez’s platform according to Fox News

Seems very sensible to me and I don’t see anything remotely extreme about it

Neither are People Before Profit extremists - you certainly can’t say that for the Republican party

Obviously it seems sensible to you as a socialist, but the problem is it doesn’t seem sensible to the majority of Democratic voters, and outright insane to the majority of Independent voters in the US, which is what matters.

It’s basically a socialist utopian agenda calling for a massive increase in government which plays right into Trump and Republicans hands portraying Democrats as extreme socialists.

Medicare for all to Americans means everyone should have medical insurance and access to affordable medical care, it doesn’t mean getting rid of private insurance. 270 million Americans have private health insurance, they are not going to give that up in the hope the government will look after them.

What the fuck is federal jobs guarantee?

Most Americans support strong borders and deporting illegals who commit crime, especially violent gang members and drug traffickers. Abolishing ICE translates to open borders for Americans.

The Green New Deal involves bankrupting the country while the two biggest polluters on the planet continue on their merry way. Americans are not interested in economic suicide.

Higher education for all? What about the people who don’t want to go to college, should they be forced? It sounds like a wonderful idea to have all young people attending free third level and nobody actually working.

It’s the kind of agenda that destroyed the UK economy in the 70s.

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That’s some wall of text without pointing out actual reasons for anything you had a problem with.

Couldn’t you have just mashed your keyboard instead? :laughing:

Well, just start with health care.

270 million Americans are covered by private insurance, and about another 50 million covered by the government (Medicaid / Medicare). There are about 10 -15 million who have no coverage.

Expand Medicaid to cover the 10-15 million and give others the option of joining Medicaid if they wish. That’s what Americans support.

Don’t forget the experience of Obamacare, no matter how well intentioned, resulted in the great majority of Americans seeing huge increases in their costs for health care. That was to expand coverage by about 10 million. So you expect Americans to trust their government to expand coverage to 270 million and not fuck it up?

The reaction would be the same in Ireland or any other EU country if the government proposed eliminating private insurance. It’s political suicide, but that’s what leftists specialize in.

Em, it may have escaped your notice but you claim to support a presidential candidate who wants to abolish private health insurance

She doesn’t, try and keep up.

Kamala Harris has said she wants to abolish private health insurance, pal

That was in January. She has clarified her position since then, which is to give people the option.

It’s not unusual for politicians to modify their position, especially when said position is seen to be deeply unpopular.

Elizabeth Warren could learn a lot form her. The great majority of Americans don’t support elimination of private health insurance.

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She “clarified” it again in June when she once again said she was in favour of abolishing it

Somebody play the Benny Hill Show music

Nope, everyone agrees the question posed was misleading.

She is not in favor of eliminating private insurance, she is in favor of people having the option. Same as in every EU country.

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So she said she was in favour of abolishing private health insurance before saying she wasn’t before saying she was before saying she wasn’t before saying again that she was and then saying again that she wasn’t.

Gotcha.

I think it’s that exact sort of flip flopping that appeals to you, because it reminds you of yourself.

And she’s in favour of a $15 minimum wage, which we know you say you’re against.

Or is she, maybe she’ll flip flop on that before she flip flops back again.

Or maybe you’ll flip flop on it? :grin:

A Yazidi woman whose family was killed by ISIS and who won the Nobel Peace Prize last year tells her story to a man with the demeanour of an eight year old with ADD whose parents are trying to get him to practice long division

He did the same to a representative of the Rohingya community - he didn’t even know where they come from

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