US Politics - A Society in Meltdown

Another disaster of a day for Democrats, giving Trump yet one more occasion to do a victory lap around the dumb fucks. Seven (7) hours of Mueller testimony with the only thing of note being that he said yes to the question “you didn’t charge the president because of the DOJ OLC opinion (you can’t indict a sitting president” in the morning, and after having a think about it over lunch came back and said he misspoke and the correct reading of his report is “we did not make a determination on whether the president committed a crime”.

Democrats will now continue to fight among themselves on whether to launch impeachment proceedings, while Trump is laughing his bollox off at them.

The Alt Left democrats are Mad
CNN & NBC are Sad
America is Glad - to have such a great President

The seal might have been fake but it’s far more appropriate to what’s really going on

:man_facepalming:

Try harder @Tank

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The Russia story is as dead as Jeremy Corbyn’s chances of being PM.
Even CNN have thrown in the towel.

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One question for you, mate

Do you think Trump should be impeached?

You may answer yes or no

:man_health_worker:t3:

Nuance matters

Mueller never even considered whether to make a determination of whether Trump committed a crime

This was the case right from the start

That is something different to what you try to make out above, but because you either i) don’t understand the nuances of language, or ii) deliberately want to parrot the Republican narrative, you yet again parrot the Republican narrative

I’d say both i) and ii) are correct in your case

Are you “laughing” your bollox off?

Your language seems very pro-Trump

For somebody who claims to be not pro-Trump, you sure do a very good job of making it look like you are a fanatical Trump fan

Kamala Harris says “impeach”

No, because it would be political suicide for Democrats.

Before the Mueller report was released support among the US public for impeachment was about 40%. After the report was released it dropped to 29%. This week prior to Mueller testifying it was 21%, and after the shambles yesterday it will drop further.

The Midterm wins for Democrats in 2018 were by moderate Democrats in conservative states, taking seats from Republicans. They will lose those seats next year and return the House to the Republicans if they persist with impeachment that only the loony fringe now support. Pelosi knows this as Pelosi is a smart political operator.

Unsurprisingly you are with the loony fringe.

Kamala Harris is running for president. Taking the progressive position on this for her is the correct move to get the nomination.

You are truly a simpleton when it comes to political strategy.

That’s not a legitimate reason.

We know Trump has committed impeachable offences.

You would agree with this, yes?

So, are you telling us that you do not take corruption and criminality in politics seriously?

Yes or no?

You say calling for impeachment is good “political strategy”.

Yet in your previous answer you tell you tell us it would be “political suicide” to call for Democrats to call for impeachment.

That is a direct contradiction, redolent of a simpleton.

It took two posts for you to directly contradict yourself.

Wow, you’re good.

Turkeys don’t vote for Thanksgiving.

In your opinion Trump should be impeached. 80% of Americans disagree with you, including at least half of Democrats. I’ll go with the people who actually have a voice in the discussion.

You still don’t get it.

Kamala Harris is running for president, her sole goal right now is to win the nomination. Impeaching Trump is now a non issue for most Americans, people expect those running for the nomination to call for impeachment, but nobody cares outside of an increasing small number of nutters.

Pelosi is the de facto leader of the party and her job is to maintain Democrat control of the House and hopefully take the Senate in 2020. Pursuing impeachment would be political suicide as that’s not what the country wants, they would actually like congress to focus on the issues they care about.

You simply don’t get US politics, actually politics in general. It’s the reason leftists consistently lose.

I’m puzzled about why you continually refer to so called “public opinion”.

It smacks of somebody who has a huge fear of actually addressing the issue itself foor fear of their position being exposed.

Public opinion for impeaching Nixon was very low.

Do you think it was the right thing for Democrats to launch impeachment proceedings against Nixon?

The Democrats won the mid terms for a few reasons.

One was that they had a young, progressive, energised base working on the ground.

Democratic candidates are a broad church. There are indeed conservative enough candidates who won some seats. There is a spectrum right across from your Conor Lambs to AOC and Ilhan Omar.

One thing they all had in common was that they had a highly progressive base working for them.

Now, you’re calling Kamala Harris, the 2020 candidate you claim to support, “the loony fringe”.

Do you any idea at all how stupid this makes you look? :grin:

Now, presuming you want a Democratic candidate to win the presidency in 2020 - and if you say you support Harris, one has to assume that you would want the Democratic candidate to win, regardless of whether it’s Harris or not - do you think demonising your own base as “loony fringe”, as you seem intent on doing, is good strategy?

Or are you just a thundering eejit?

None of that addresses my questions to you.

Are you saying that actual impeachable offences by a president should not be subject to impeachment hearings?

You may answer yes or no - it’s a yes or no question.

The answer will say a lot about how seriously you take politics - whether you merely treat it as a circus or a horse race, or whether you actually take holding corruption and criminality to account seriously.

I think I know the answer to that, but fire ahead anyway.

Another question.

You keep repeating this line “that’s not what the country wants”.

Do you think countries should be governed entirely by opinion polls?

Because that would appear to be the entirely logical implication of such.