US Politics - A Society in Meltdown

Good analysis. In a poor economy Bernie would have a much better shot. The biggest problem facing Democrats is the economy is strong, unemployment is at an all time low, unemployment levels for minorities are at historical lows, wages are rising and rising faster for low income workers. The labor participation rate is rising so more people are going back to work. A sizable majority of Americans are happy with the economy and a majority are happy with how Trump is handling the economy (even though many might hate every other aspect of him).

The DNC are scared shitless that not alone would Bernie lose the election, but his socialist program would lose the House for Democrats and keep a Republican majority in the Senate, resulting in their worst nightmare, four more years of Trump with congress backing him.

The best thing that could happen now is for Biden and Warren to drop out as if they couldn’t get above 10% in NH, they are toast. Then let Bloomberg and Pete fight it out for the centrist spot against Bernie.

It will go all the way to the convention, but Bernie clearly has the momentum.

Buttigieg has a decent shot.

I think the Bern would do well against Trump. Populist v Populist.

Not a great look for the democrats though that their four leading candidates are three 70+ year old rich white men and some nobody mayor from a one horse town.

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Surely they need someone with some sort of appeal to minorities?

Bernie would win the popular vote overwhelmingly. Whether he can win the key swing states is the issue, it’s certainly possible given how close those states were last time.

Sure all their candidates are white.

But Mayor Pete is a racist, or at least that’s how he’ll be portrayed

Maybe not racist but he is gay so that’s half the states gone that they need.

It would hardly hurt him against Trump. I agree Pete has a challenging route to get the nomination, but imo he would beat Trump handily as he is a moderate that could be trusted not to fuck up the economy and that counts for a lot in the heartland. Biden would have walked the nomination and the Nov election for the same reason had he not exposed himself as a crankly old fruitcake.

It’s all up in the air, great sport.

The real issue is the degree to which the election will be rigged. Republicans are all in on this.

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You’d have thought there would have been some comment here about this, but apparently not - obviously the political persuasions of some of the regular commneters means they’d rather not mention it!

Corruption and cronyism are absolutely rampant in the Trump regime and Barr is directing a lot of it at the behest of Trump. This is pure Russia stuff.

Trump would relish going up against Bloomberg who could be rightly painted as an oligarch or bernie whos communist label could stir some deep fear in older voters. Klobuchar would be hard for him to go at. Pete maybe too. Fascinating how the media seems to favour bloomberg and maybe pete, as do the big donors. That’s bernies biggest battle. When fauxcohantas goes will her support move to bernie? If bernie gets shafted again id see a lot of his support not voting at all, like 2016. A recent survey showed 90% of Americans are reasonably happy with their lives, very hard to move people from that.

I’m not so sure Mayor Pete would cause much worry for Trump. He is hugely unpopular among non whites, and then some people rightly or wrong won’t vote for a gay, so you might have usual Dems voting for Trump in a head to head.

Klobuchar would be a nightmare match up for him. For one she’s a woman but she’s fairly likeable and normal unlike Hillary last time. She’s also a moderate Dem who could have cross appeal to Republicans or neutrals. She’s got a good bit of experience in politics as well unlike Mayor Pete.

Trump of course not being an oligarch. :laughing:

Actually I think nothing would signify the US’s descent into Russian style oligarchy than a presidential “election” between two oligarchs.

He’s not hugely unpopular, he’s largely unknown. The thing is he is a formidable campaigner and is out polling Biden and Warren >2:1 so far (Warren’s collapse was shocking given NH is next door to her home state).

Nevada and South Carolina will be the big test, if he does OK there he has a real shot.

This Buttigieg chap does a fantastic impression of Kang from The Simpsons. He’s pretty good at Kodos too. Always twirling, twirling towards freedom. He literally is like a random Kang quote generator, a politician designed entirely by focus group.

And utterly pointless.

Jaysus. This fella is even more of a backwoodsman than I thought.

Isn’t Bernie Sanders a 2x2