Oh fuck 
I don’t care a jot for this thread but I just had a good old belly laugh at the history lesson we had this morning,
Brilliant 
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They waited until the British had done all the hard work in Europe. Showed up like Jonny come lately on d day to get the glory
Thanks for the update mate. We were worried about you.
The abiding memory I have is of the dance floor once the lights came back on. Broken glasses, spilled beers, blood, and god knows what else. The car park down the back was a dangerous place to go for a piss come the end of the night, you’d never know what you’d see, or you could end up getting your head kicked in if you saw something you shouldn’t. Simpler times.
Did the Rooneys have a stake in it at one point?
Of Clonaslee? They may have acted that way perhaps.
That’s basically the entire history of Europe.
Kaiser Wihelm II of German WWI vintage, was Queens Victorias Grandson, and George the V’s first cousin. He was actually 6th in line for the English throne at one stage.
They are all related.
The Hapsburgs ruled most of the globe at one stage or another
Yeah, Declan had told me a one point the family had a stake in it although mind you I could have completely misunderstood .
Its entirely possible they may have. It changed hands a few times over the years.
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A fine example of false equivalence. I have consistently said there are racist cops and bad cops who commit unjustified killings. The solution is to weed these guys out as like the lad in Minneapolis they typically have that profile (I think this lad had 18 prior complaints against him).
Given the level of looting and property destruction, I think the response overall has been restrained. An officer was assassinated in Oakland at the weekend, where are the protests about that death? or does that black life not matter? The alternative to crowd control is to concede the streets to thugs and anarchists, and the result of that will be much worse. If this escalates, it is only a matter of time before the militias show up and then there will be carnage.
It’s your pick.
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I have eight hours and I intend to use all of it until you cunts are asleep.
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Tsar Nicholas II was related also. European royalty was like South Tipp is today.
Below a picture of King George and Tsar Nick
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take your pick you cunt
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You owe me one.
You’re a good man.
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Has it occurred to you that this might not be an issue at all if those cops were properly charged immediately?
All this violence on both sides could have been extinguished with proper charges and the President coming out and cracking down on it too.
For all the looting there are far bigger numbers peacefully protesting from what I can see and the treatment peaceful protesters are getting in some places is disgusting.
The boss has handled it dreadfully. He had no issue with peaceful protests ( hicks with firearms too ) complaining about Lockdowns though.
Has it occurred to you not to comment on injustices in the US when you have been on here frequently spewing disgusting racist attacks on travellers.
My city’s shame: Week of unrest exposes failure Minneapolis can no longer ignore
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Just a few hours before my hometown started burning to the ground, as civil unrest in response to the death of George Floyd was just beginning to bubble to the surface, a conversation with Minnesota Timberwolves president of basketball operations Gersson Rosas put into stark relief what I had never really considered when thinking about Minneapolis.
We were talking about what the Timberwolves were doing for their team to address Floyd’s death. Thirteen of the 15 players on the Wolves roster are black. Josh Okogie and Karl-Anthony Towns are the only two players on the roster who have been on the team for more than 11 months. That means very few of them have any real idea of what it’s like to live in Minnesota the way I did. They hadn’t had the opportunity to fully explore our community’s incredible restaurant scene and vibrant theater district. Most probably had not had the time to see a concert at First Ave., the historic music venue with Prince’s gold star on the wall. At least six of them were still living in temporary housing after being acquired in trades at the beginning of February.
“They’re just learning what life is like here,” Rosas said.
For a group of young, black men just getting acquainted with their new home, the last week has been a jolt to their first impression.
While many scattered to their homes across the country when the COVID-19 pandemic shut down the league in March, they and the handful of Timberwolves who remained in town all saw the video of Derek Chauvin, a white police officer, kneeling on the neck of Floyd, a black man who was being accused of using a counterfeit $20 bill at a local grocery store, for more than eight minutes as bystanders pleaded with Chauvin to let up and three other officers watched it all unfold.
That’s when it dawned on me, a white guy who has spent 38 of his 41 years in Minnesota and has always feverishly defended this place from the condescension of those who bragged about bigger cities in warmer climates. As the city started to burn in response to Floyd’s death, it has brought the eyes of the world on to our home, and the world is not liking what it sees. When I tried to look at the situation through the eyes of someone from the outside, when I saw a city fall to looters and rioters as leaders abdicated their responsibilities, it made me start to think that maybe Minneapolis isn’t as great as so many of us have always professed it to be.
For us, we have always viewed this state, and the Twin Cities in particular, with so much pride. We see it as an enlightened place, with an undersold cosmopolitan flavor in the bland flyover country of the Midwest. We snicker at Wisconsin’s cheese and beer diet. We turn our noses up at Iowa’s minor-league sports scene. The Dakotas? Is that the jazz club downtown or all that flat land out west?
You can’t spit without hitting an article or website with some sort of metric that Minnesota excels in. Schools, lakes, physical fitness, theater, sports. Minnesota has it all, or so we’ve always said, contributing to the long-held but impossible to define “quality of life” medals hanging around our necks. You think it’s too cold here in the winters? Good. Stay the hell away so you don’t clog up traffic or outbid us for a Northeast Minneapolis starter home.
Besides, anyone who wasn’t willing to look past the frostbite on the tip of their nose was going to miss a seriously great place to live. All five major pro sports teams. A Big Ten university just outside of downtown and not in some smaller, no culture outpost. The Guthrie Theater and the Walker Art Center. The Science Museum and the Minnesota Zoo. Sixteen (!) Fortune 500 companies.
We’re known for “Minnesota Nice.” Everyone pretty much gets along, or is too Scandinavian stoic to let on that we don’t like you. That’s why so many who are born here stay here.
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But as the Twin Cities crumbled at the end of last week, life here was put under the microscope. The closer look has not been flattering, revealing that police violence and black-white achievement gaps are as much a part of this city’s fabric as Vikings playoff defeats.
The New York Times reported last week that African Americans in Minneapolis earn one-third as much as white residents, graduate from high school at far lower rates and attend a skyrocketing number of schools that can be defined as “deeply segregated.”
The Timberwolves are watching, and they’re asking a lot of questions. Rosas said that a 90-minute video chat last week had them engaged and probing.
There were three other cops and nobody stopped it?
George Floyd was being checked out for counterfeit money and he was treated like that?
How does that happen?
“The reality was,” Rosas said, “we don’t have a lot of those answers to those questions.”
Floyd’s death under the knee of Chauvin, while other officers held him down and looked on, also brought the Twin Cities’ long and ugly history of police violence against people of color back into the spotlight. The latest incident brought an eruption that hasn’t been seen here in decades, since the North Minneapolis riots of the late 1960s. The third precinct building was completely destroyed, businesses small and large were ransacked and the leaders, both local and federal, failed our residents at a staggering level.
United States Attorney Erica MacDonald and Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman held a disaster of a press conference on Thursday night that failed to deliver the charges on Chauvin that people were anticipating. Instead, Freeman puffed his chest and boasted of his record, “as many of you know, the Hennepin County Attorney’s office is one of the very few prosecution offices in the United States who have successfully charged and convicted and obtained a guilty verdict against a police officer for unreasonable use of deadly force.” He also had to issue a statement 90 minutes after the press conference to walk back a comment he made indicating that there was evidence that Chauvin did not commit a crime. Freeman said he was referring to the general process of investigating cases and not Chauvin specifically, but the damage was already done.
Minneapolis mayor Jacob Frey, St. Paul mayor Melvin Carter and Governor Tim Walz were nowhere to be found on the first two nights of violence and looting.
Not to be upstaged, President Trump took shots at Frey and then delivered a vile threat that hearkened back to a racist Miami police chief’s vitriol directed at black protesters in 1967.
Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
I can’t stand back & watch this happen to a great American City, Minneapolis. A total lack of leadership. Either the very weak Radical Left Mayor, Jacob Frey, get his act together and bring the City under control, or I will send in the National Guard & get the job done right…
Donald J. Trump
…These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you!
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The next day, with the embers still smoldering, Walz backed a bus over Frey and Carter, saying that it was their job to handle the response in their cities. But fear not, Walz said, he was going to engage on Friday night and provide the necessary leadership to keep residents safe. What followed was another night of looting, fires and destruction that was perhaps the worst yet.
Walz admitted Saturday morning that he was caught by surprise by the sheer volume of troublemakers out there and that the authorities simply could not keep up with the resources they had.
It wasn’t until Saturday night, with the National Guard mobilized, that civic leaders seemed to finally start to figure out how to get control of the situation. Walz gave regular updates throughout the night to stay visible, Frey and Carter were on the phone with local television stations to keep communicating with citizens, and the vast majority of looting and rioting came to an end.
When the dust started to settle, a disturbing narrative started to emerge from those in power. Carter and Walz both offered that the vast majority of those wreaking havoc on the Twin Cities were not from the area. In addition to being demonstrably false, this served to try to comfort us here in Minnesota.
All these bad people aren’t from here. We’re not the ones to blame.
It didn’t take long for Carter and Walz to start walking that back.
“I got out over my skis a little bit,” Walz said Monday. “It was hard for me to fathom that this was coming internally.”
And that is the problem. For too long we have collectively chosen to believe that this kind of activity was beneath us high-minded Minnesotans. This isn’t the Deep South, the flaky West Coast or the toxic East Coast. This is the heartland, home of decency and pragmatism. Instead of looking inward, the conversation turned to antifa and white supremacists who allegedly bused in, stayed at hotels and then raised hell.
Some of the looters did come from out of state, and there remains a high possibility that some groups were organized to throw gasoline on the proverbial and literal fires. But the majority of them? That certainly isn’t reflected in the jail rosters in Hennepin and Ramsey counties right now, which are filled with Minnesotans.
Even if some of those fires were started by extremist groups, the door to the state swung wide open for them to infiltrate because a Minneapolis cop put his knee on the neck of a black man and kept it there until the man died. And it has happened here over and over again.
The problem is not outsiders coming into our cities to cause trouble. The call is coming from inside the house.
For a person like me, it’s a terrific place to live, work, play and raise a family. For someone else, the economic disparities, segregation in schools and housing and general mistreatment by authorities make for a different existence.
“When I first got here, everybody told me how nice Minnesota is and how nice the people are,” Wolves guard Josh Okogie said. “I got here and I felt that. Granted I’m not here 365 days a year, but the amount of time I’ve been here, the people have embraced me. This right here speaks contrary to that. But if this narrative wants to change, we have to change from within. It takes the whole community to change that.”
Thankfully, Walz has started to acknowledge that as the violence has subsided.
Minnesota consistently ranks highly for our public schools, innovation and opportunity, and happiness - if you’re white. If you’re not, the opposite is true. Systemic racism must be addressed if we are to secure justice, peace, and order for all Minnesotans.
We cannot simply go back to the place we were before. That place is not good enough. If we do not fix the systemic issues, we will be back to a point with our communities on fire, our security and safety in question, and a searching for who we are.
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“It is not as if these incidents simply happen overnight. What you see happening in this city, the social unrest, the civil unrest, is the result of decades of police abuse and neglect of the African American community,” civil rights attorney Nekima Levy Armstrong said at a press conference on Saturday. “I have joined activists in the streets for the last several years shutting things down, fighting for justice, coming to City Hall, demanding that they treat us with dignity and respect our humanity. That has not been the case.”
The last three days have been a welcome calm after the tension and violence that permeated last week put all of us Minnesotans on edge. But now we need to stay on edge. We may not be able to see the flames in the Minneapolis skyline, but our house is still on fire. You could see the anger in the look on former NBA player Stephen Jackson’s face when he came to Minnesota to demand justice for his longtime friend George.
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Stephen Jackson.
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I could hear the anguish in the voice of WCCO radio’s Henry Lake when he called me on Monday, exhausted, and concerned as people started to focus more on the looting and damage to property than the loss of life that precipitated it.
I could feel the urgency standing in that City Hall on Saturday and watching Karl-Anthony Towns show up with a Black Lives Matter hat and a mask on his face, forsaking the recommendations about social distancing while mourning his mother, Jackie, who died from COVID-19 in April. It was too important for Towns to stay away.
And it’s too important for us Minnesotans to look away.
We all have to recognize, especially those of us who have enjoyed living here so much, that our home has not been attacked this week. It has been exposed. The eyes of the world are on us, and our warts and flaws are laid bare for everyone to see. The subtlety in our institutional racism that for so long was masked by our “Minnesota Nice” is out in the open now.
“Everybody is making their assumptions and saying what they think about Minnesota,” Okogie said. “I feel like if there’s any way to change these negative connotations, it has to start from within. We can’t force people to believe that Minnesota is a great place if we as a city aren’t willing to make these changes to make it a great place. I don’t know any person right now who can go out and say, ‘Look, Minnesota is the place you want to be right now.’”
It can be one day. But the people here first need to understand how far we have to go.
Amid the misery, there have been moments of sunshine. The scene where Floyd was killed has turned into a safe space, an area that has essentially been ruled off-limits to looting, rioting or confrontations with police.
This is the Minneapolis I know
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Schools that have collected food and donations to help neighborhood families after their grocery stores were decimated have been overwhelmed with offerings.
Overwhelmed doesn’t even begin to describe the feeling. This is the turnout for a call for 80 bags of food for families who live near the 3rd Police Precinct who lost their convenient stores in the riots this week in South Minneapolis.
All donations, all volunteers. #wcco
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Volunteers by the hundreds have come to the hardest-hit areas with brooms and brushes to clean up, and millions of dollars have poured into charitable fundraisers to help businesses rebuild. When civic leaders could not protect their homes and businesses in the first three nights of demonstrations, neighborhood businessmen banded together to stand guard and turn looters away.
Here in Minneapolis, we’re working together to clean up the still smoldering city and peacefully protesting. I know this is a moment my kids will remember, and I want them to remember they were helpers. #bethechange #minneapolis #bettertogether
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These are the kinds of things I had grown used to seeing in Minnesota during nearly four decades of living here. These are the people who made me feel proud to be from here, and maybe this really will be a turning point. But it is easy for me to take that hopeful outlook. That inherent optimism is a product of my background, of never submitting a rental application and having it rejected, because I was white, of never having to be nervous when talking to a police officer, because I was white, of never seeing someone nervously cross the street when I approached, because I was white.
The running path in my neighborhood goes along a tree-covered boulevard and past some large, beautiful houses. When the COVID-19 pandemic forced us all to shelter in place, one homeowner put a sign out that read, “It will be good again” over and over. It was something small, but it had always given me comfort when I passed it. I believed that life would eventually go back to normal. It would be good again.
For so many of the people who live here, it never has been.