Fuckin yawn already.The DEMS need to take a good hard look at themselves, fuckin reelecting polosi,ffs,these old cunts need to be put out to grass,FOAD.This shit wouldnât be going on if Teddy was about heâd had knocked the shit outta trump
It certainly doesnât come across that way.
Science cannot be ideological. Those who practice science may have an ideological bent. I t may or may not affect their work.
Those who practice science with an ideological bent and carry that ideological bent into their work will quickly be found out. And theyâre overwhelmingly in the anti-anthropogenic climate change camp.
Claiming that science is ideological is by definition an ideological position, and thatâs what that Scaramucci chap fell into doing.
The basic premise that human activity is contributing to warming the earthâs climate has been effectively settled, and it was settled a long time ago. Only cranks, shills and idiots dispute this.
Quite a few of them have been named in the Trump administration.
I think you rather overestimate the amount that âfollowersâ of a religion think through every position a religion officially holds.
I also think you rather overestimate the amount of followers of religion in Ireland, given that you say that âmost people in Irelandâ believe in creationism. 63% of voters here voted to legalise same sex marriage, remember. Legalising same sex marriage directly contravened the position of the Roman Catholic Church.
As Iâm sure youâd be aware, if you could somehow remove that zealotâs hat you constantly carry around on your head, the vast majority of people are baptised into a religion without choice and donât conduct in depth investigations into the ideological positions of their religion.
I was baptised as a Roman Catholic as an infant, and as I havenât bothered to officially excommunicate myself from that Church, I guess Iâm still officially a Roman Catholic, although the religion or its teachings itself mean pretty much nothing to me - I might go to mass at Christmas, or Winterval, as I like to call it.
I donât believe in creationism.
Now, Trump voters all voted out of free choice. Trumpâs position was that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by China.
If youâre to be consistent and maintain the position, which you have indicated you hold, that all people who are baptised (not by their own choice) into a religion by definition hold every position that their religion does, to be consistent, youâd have to say all Trump voters must believe everything he says, ergo they all must believe climate change is a hoax perpetrated by China.
Iâm not saying that, by the way, although I think one could make a more plausible argument to defend that position than to defend the position that all Christians, Jews and Muslims are creationists, which is a plainly idiotic one.
I[quote=âSidney, post:4546, topic:19437, full:trueâ] Science cannot be ideological. [/quote]
Spoken like a true zealot! The question whether science is or can be ideological or not is a philosophical one, and like all philosophical questions there are multiple answers (study Popper and Feyerabend for contrasting views*). Given the history of science, its really difficult to argue coherently that itâs not ideological, Popper or no Popper. The problem is science is not some defined truth, itâs open to the same flaws as any human quest for knowledge. I could give you several examples of well established theories, where contrary evidence has been uncovered, but then a new hypothesis quickly developed to explain why the theory still works. Science and scientists get very attached to their theories, as Max Planck once said, new theories only get accepted after all the proponents of the older theory die off.
The term settled science is an oxymoron, âused by real morons to convince their fellow morons, at the expense of everyone else, moron or notâ.
Nowhere have I said that everyone professing to be religious (nevermind being unwillingly baptised into their religion) must hold every position that their religion does. However, there is one thing that unifies all those who profess to be Christian, Jew or Muslim - they are all creationists, otherwise they are not Christians, Jews or Muslims. The most fundamental belief of the Abrahamic religions is that the universe and life has a divine origin. If you donât believe that then you are not a Christian, Jew or Muslim, no matter whether you go to church once a year, every day, or never. There is no such thing as a Christian who doesnât believe in God*, thatâs another oxymoron, but I suppose someone who believes Marxism can work can believe anything.
The word creationist has been abused to death in the US in the debate regarding evolution. Religion and Science are, in the words of the great evolutionist S.J. Gould, non overlapping magisteria. Attempts by fundamentalist Christians to invade science are idiotic, as are attempts by zealot scientists like Dawkins and Krauss to invade religion. In both cases neither has a fucking clue about the subject matter they are challenging. The ones that take the biscuit though are liberal atheists, who somehow manage to be frequently blissfully ignorant on both topics.
- For full disclosure, I am a Christian Agnostic.
Thundering gobshites
No surprise heâs involved in the Trump revolution then
Physical science is not human, therefore it cannot be ideological. Practitioners of science can be ideological, as they are human.
Youâve already said that most people in Ireland believe in creationism.
No offence, mate, but I imagine youâre quite out of touch.
You might want to spend a bit more time here before making such big claims about what people believe.
Thatâs not what youâve said previously.
Being ignorant about subject matter has never stopped you wading into debates.
Didnât you call for Islam to be banned? 
The Oxford definition of agnostic is: âA person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God.â
But given you call yourself a âChristian Agnosticâ, youâre also a creationist, obviously.
Now thatâs an oxymoron.
I suppose somebody who believes in the infallibility of the free market can believe in anything.
Iâm not a Marxist, by the way, although I do think he has made extremely valuable contributions to political and sociological thought.
Another âsensible choiceâ, I bet.
He has called President Barack Obama an antisemite and suggested that US Jews who oppose the Israeli occupation of the West Bank are worse than kapos, Nazi-era prisoners who served as concentration camp guards.
The Haaretz columnist Chemi Shalev said Friedman made Israelâs rightwing prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, âseem like a leftwing defeatistâ.
Friedman disagrees with the general international consensus that the settlements are illegal and he opposes a ban on settlement construction on the West Bank and in East Jerusalem.
Physical science, like all science, is something invented by humans. Science is a method of inquiry invented by humans, everything we know about the natural universe is from a human perspective.
Look, we are not going to get anywhere with this discussion, the greatest minds in the relevant field of study (philosophy of science) have debated it for centuries and cant agree, so itâs unlikely we will. What they all agree on though is that the term âsettled scienceâ is an oxymoron.
[quote=âSidney, post:4550, topic:19437, full:trueâ]
Youâve already said that most people in Ireland believe in creationism.
No offence, mate, but I imagine youâre quite out of touch.
Thatâs not what youâve said previously.
Almost all important scientists since Darwin made shit of religion are atheists or agnostics.
The Oxford definition of agnostic is: âA person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God.â
But given you call yourself a âChristian Agnosticâ, youâre also a creationist, obviously.
Now thatâs an oxymoron. [/quote]
There is no conflict in being a Christian Agnostic, let alone it being an oxymoron. Christianity has to do with belief (theist/athiest) and agnosticism has to do with knowledge (gnostic/agnostic). Christianity as in the teachings of Jesus Christ, for all its flaws, is in my opinion the best of the philosophies out there as far as how to live oneâs life. However, I have no proof that God exists, nor do I believe humans can (possibly ever) prove Godâs existence. I choose to believe in God, which I accept is faith based rather than knowledge based. There is no conflict there, if you think rationally about it.
So, yes I am a creationist in that I believe that the origin of the universe and life is divine. Like most of the scientists in history and many of todayâs leading scientists, I have no problem whatsoever reconciling the two. I cannot however reconcile science and a literal interpretation of scriptures as that would be idiotic.
Darwin destroyed religion in terms of the conservative interpretation of scriptures. Anyone who believes literally in the stories in the bible, or any religious text, at this point is either an idiot or suffering from mental illness.
Will Mr. trump continue to deny this? He did only publicly call for it, like.
Ann Coulter attacking the CIA and a self-described liberal defending them. 2016 has been absolutely mental.
Nothing seems to matter in US politics beyond people feeling that âtheirâ side is winning, regardless of what position their side takes. This is what a two party system does to a country.
Is that the same Ann Coulter, who was a massive supporter of the war in Iraq, now complaining about it?
Any relation to Phil Coulter?
The policies donât matter. Trump could abolish property on behalf of the revolutionary proletariat and as long as Coulter could write the liberals are mad sheâd support it.
The Electoral College has today certified Donald John Trump as the 45th President of the United States.
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Democracy prevails. To my knowledge (although I have a few on board), there were a few Texan faithless electors on the Republican side but at least 4 Democrats voted for alternate candidates (Colin Powell and Faith Spotted Eagle). Several Democratic electors tried to vote for Bernie but were shot. Most faithless electors apparently in a century, way to go Hillary.
A great day for democracy
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The don has appointed a long time virulent critic of China to a trade body. He is sending plenty signals to China, 2017 will make for interesting times.
âDraining the swampââŚ
Donald Trump added another billionaire to his presidential transition team on Wednesday: Carl Icahn, the 80-year-old activist shareholder and long-time friend who once helped Trump keep control of his troubled New Jersey casinos.
Icahn will be a special adviser to the president-elect overseeing regulation, according to the transition team.
According to Forbes, Icahn has a net worth of $16.5bn adding his wealth to a team that already looks set to be the wealthiest White House team in history. Trump had considered him for the post of Treasury secretary but Icahn rejected the suggestions saying: âIâm not ever going to be secretary of anything in Washington.â
This appointment is not an official government position and Icahn will therefore not have to divest of his vast business holdings in order to comply with government-mandated conflict of interest rules.
The hedge fund manager has been one of Trumpâs closest advisers and officially endorsed the president-elect in the summer of 2015. âCarl was with me from the beginning and with his being one of the worldâs great businessmen, that was something I truly appreciated,â said Trump. Trump said Ichanâs âhelp on the strangling regulations that our country is faced with will be invaluableâ.
Icahn has been a persistent critic of government regulation, most recently âcrazy regulationsâ at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). He is a major investor in CVR Energy, an oil refiner, whose business he claims has been harmed by EPA regulations.
Trump consulted with Icahn before appointing Scott Pruitt, Oklahomaâs attorney general and another EPA critic, to head the agency.
âI am proud to serve President-elect Trump as a special adviser on regulatory reform,â said Icahn. âUnder President Obama, Americaâs business owners have been crippled by over $1tn in new regulations and over 750bn hours dealing with paperwork. Itâs time to break free of excessive regulation and let our entrepreneurs do what they do best: create jobs and support communities.â
The billionaire, who has a home near Trumpâs Palm Beach base, Mar-A-Lago, started his career on Wall Street and has built a reputation as a fierce corporate raider.
Before Trumpâs elevation, Icahn was best known for his often heated battles with executives at companies, including Apple, eBay, Dell and Time Warner. In 2015 he took on Appleâs chief executive officer Tim Cook, telling him the iPhone-maker was âdramatically undervaluedâ.
In the 1990s Icahn was a bondholder in Trumpâs failing Taj Mahal casino in New Jersey. Trump was able to keep control if the casino despite failing to make payments to Icahn and other bondholders thanks in large part to advice given by another Trump appointee, Wilbur Ross, a billionaire bankruptcy expert and now Trumpâs appointed commerce secretary.
Farcical. Democratic establishment too interested in Russian conspiracies to do anything about it though.