US Presidential Election 2016: Sidney's Victory Lap

I follow this chap on twitter. He’s a top level troll and self proclaimed king of the hipsters.

So according to gavin its not cool to threaten women,but ok to grab em by the pussy.This loser is surely a wum.

It’s cool to assault them. If you don’t you’re a “cuck”.

I presume you didn’t actually read it before posting it, because the 2.6 million figure is pure and utter tripe. It is a broad search of keywords that generally can be found in anti-semetic remarks and include words like Israel, and any mention of Israel is then taken as anti-semitism. It’s also based across all of twitter and the tweets might not necessarily have anything to do with Trump or even the American election. Palestinians tweeting antisemitic stuff for example are captured in that figure.

There’s also this in the report;

Racial slurs and anti-Israel statements were the top two manifestations of anti-Semitism

So to be anti-Israel is considered anti-semitism. You’re a bit of an anti-semite yourself by the that logic Sid.

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The word Palestinian isn’t mentioned once in the paper.

Apart from the word cloud based on the keywords in the 2.6m tweets.

Ooooffffftttttt

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There were 63m Trump voters.

You are saying that all of those tweets were individuals, all Trump supporters, all were from the US and none were automated?

You equated all Trump supports to being anti Semites. Even if one was to take it that these all were one off tweets by 2.6m individuals the percentage would be 4% of this total support.

This is a ridiculous reach by you to try and suppose the opinions of all Trump supporters.

The only actual data we have here is that GOP supporters are supportive of Israel and Trump carried most GOP supporters. You tried to make out that this was some pivot, nothing has changed. You then deflected and started going on about dog whistles and listing other things he said and examples in other countries, but listed nothing Trump said that was anti Semitic or close to that. Again, the only hard facts we have is that he has family who are Jews and they are amongst his closest strategists and advisors both during the election and after.

You can criticise Trump for many things, but you have yet to demonstrate anything to back up your earlier assertion on Trump’s entire support base and nothing on Trump.

Headshot.

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What constitutes actual anti Semitism is hotly debated amongst Jewish Americans.

Noah Chomsky for example, who Sidney I imagine is a big fan of, has criticised the anti defamation league in the past for including anti Israel statements as anti semitic. To him it is a marginal issue in America.

We have ludicrous examples on both the left and right of Jews hurling it at one another.

The right accuse some Jews themselves of being anti semites and traitors if they aren’t fullsome in their praise of Israel. The left accuse the same for talking about liberal Hollywood and Jews running it. This is at one another, see the recent Breitbart stuff where it was largely Jews calling one another those things.

Still though, as you point out above, amongst those tweets we have plenty of mentions of Palestine, Zionism et cetera.

Sidney has failed to demonstrate anti Semitism is a major part of the Trump vote. No data and no examples to back it up.

There is anti Semitism on both the left and right of US public opinion, but it is a marginal issue.

The only thing that the report shows is that there was targeted abuse of journalists by a very small number of twitter users which Sid has decided represent every single Trump supporter.

Sixty-eight percent of the 19,253 Tweets were sent by 1,600 Twitter users, confirming that these were persistent attacks on journalists by a relatively small cohort of Twitter users.

@Sidney is trying to lump all Trump voters into one neat narrative to explain why his beloved Hillary lost.

Taken down like a anti-Israeli protestor in international waters

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Ah good man.

So that’s about 12 tweets per person.

So presupposing all were Trump fans, which would be strange given his robust Israel support and the tweets in support of Palestine and anti Zionist, we’d be looking at 200k of Trump voters.

0.0003% of his voters.

Seems really solid to base your entire argument off of this.

But I didn’t do that. Please state where I said “all”.

What’s clear is that there’s a very significant strain of anti-semitism within Trump’s support, which comes straight from the top.

This is it.

The media, and Irish media as well, have decided that every aspect of Donald Trump is to be criticised.

For example, yesterday the Irish Times on the front page of their website had a health special on Trump’s weight and diet. Why? I didn’t hear about Obama being a smoker when he started out, why Trump’s bloody diet?

Trump’s reaction and his team’s reaction over the inauguration crowd is pathetic, but the point about the media deciding to bury him from the start is not. The MLK sculpture story for example, why was that spread around so quickly? People deciding that every little thing that’ Trump does must be evil.

Oooft :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

It’s fucking ridiculous the mantle the liberal media have taken up. By all means criticize his actions as they unfold but you’d swear he has murdered millions the way they are going on… Shame they don’t use as much gusto when critiquing their own government.

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This was your post.

Seems you now are deciding to admit it was a minority and negligible one at that. Have you gone off to that minority now to question them on how they didn’t notice Trump’s pro Israel message pre election?

No need- as facts would get in the way of another moan about Trump and his supports.

Why bother with data or facts when you can go for a hit job?

Accusing the other side of exaggerations, falsehoods and fake news when engaging in the same thing yourself is pathetic.

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You musn’t have been reading much at the time, because I read about Obama being a smoker before he had been elected and it was widely referenced.

There were numerous conspiracy theories surrounding Hillary Clinton’s health during the campaign, and Trump did nothing to dispel them.

Seems a bit snowflakey to be be complaining about one article about Trump’s diet.

The MLK statue story was by one journalist who made a mistake - it was corrected within minutes and the journalist subsequently sent out 12 tweets in reference that iwhat was initially reported was erroneous.

In fact Sean Spicer tweeted “apology accepted”.

But Spicer hasn’t apologised or retracted the false claim about the inauguration crowds.

You claimed I said “all”. I never did. Clearly that would be ridiculous, which is why I didn’t say that.

Are you questioning whether there are a significant amount of people that have those views?

Trump himself would appear to either hold those views, or at minimum deliberately use thinly veiled rhetoric and symbolism which promotes them.

You made a post laughing at the hypocricy of “Trump supports” and supporting Israel.

We can now take it after your schooling in here from various posters that you admit that it is a negligible minority of his supporters.

That there was no pivot on Israel, that he majority of his support (based on actual hard polling data), has been pro Israel for a long time?

Again, I will go back to my earlier statement. Your earlier post is akin to me equating all Democrat voters to the rioters on Friday. Ridiculous.

There are no need for facts and data when hunting down ways to have a go at the guy and his supporters.

Elements of both sides are guilty of this, but that you can’t admit when doing it yourself is telling on your credibility in here.

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