What Climate Crisis?

Calling him an oddball must be the nicest thing anybody has ever said to him

I’m saying it’s weird for a grown man to boast about getting one to a parody account on an anonymous internet forum. Something only someone with a bit of a want in them would do, like you.

Two swallows don’t make a summer

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https://on.ft.com/31dw3RG

Not sure if it’s the right thread, but an interesting read.

A very weird exchange there.

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Petteri Taalas, Secretary General of the World Meteorological Organization in an interview with Finnish media ridicules climate alarmists such as @Little_Lord_Fauntleroy, greta, aoc, al gore etc as simpletons. These idiots cherrypick stats from the IPCC reports and then urge and demand ‘green’ taxes for everyone to go back living like stoneage apes. The very same IPCC models who’s predictions v actuals are abominable. It’s always the simpletons who fall for it hook, line and sinker.

Could you provide a source to back up your claims of what this man said

It’s interesting that when I did an INTERNET search with yer man’s name in relation to the interview you refer to, all I found were far right US clickbait sources, notably The Epoch Times, which is a noted far right disinformation site which operates in the US, and is run by the ultra conservative Chinese Falun Gong cult - The Epoch Times was recently the subject of a major exposé by NBC and Buzzfeed

The article by The Epoch Times prominently features comments by the notorious fossil fuel funded climate crock Myron Ebell, who has zero credibility

It seems that every post you make unintentionally proves me 100% correct about you - which is that you are a far right nut job with the critical faculties of a three year old

You may be interested to know that the Finnish man you refer to was to the forefront of giving the planet the news that July 2019 was the hottest month ever recorded and specifically blames man made global warming and fossil fuels for the succession of records in this regard that we keep experiencing

:grinning: so you read the comments the gentleman I referred to made? and was what I said a representation of same? Wait no, you’ve gone ahead and are picking apart a source I haven’t provided and are referring to July being hot and a point I haven’t made… textbook response… of an idiot

What comments, mate?

You say you gave comments, where are they?

Go on, tell us

Where’s your source, mate?

Where is it? :laughing:

Did someone say textbook response of an idiot?

You’ve just proved my point thoroughly - again!

Fucking moron.

My comments are clear above. I said Petter Taalas was critical of climate extremist types. You went on some rant about the Epoch Times.

I’ve read the full interview and article with the man, have you?

No, you haven’t. You googled Petteri Taalas, the Epoch Times was one of the first search results and this had you frothing at the mouth, resulting in you jumping in two footed with in an incoherent rant. I actually anticipated you in paticular (because you are both predictable and stupid) would jump straight in on this, given the initial page search results but I actually read the full interview in Talouselma magazine before posting.

A direct quote from the man, in said interview with the Finnish economic and political magazine ‘The IPCC reports are read like the Bible, seeking certain verses that justify their own extremes. It has the features of a religious extremism’

My initial post was referring to this, ridiculing the world will end in 12 years type alarmists and extremists.

As night follows day you predictably jumped in, unprepared. You do provide some comedic value in fairness, all unintentionally of course :grinning:

Your comments are about clear as the fog that pervades in your tiny little brain.

Now you’re claiming to speak Finnish :laughing:

You should probably start with learning to comprehend English, you utter simpleton.

Look, it’s fucking obvious what happened here - you saw a link on the Twitter account of some far right disinformation site that populates your echo chamber of a feed which predictably is full of far right disinformation, then you steamed in like the pound shop David Quinn you are and made a fool of yourself, as you have done consistently since you joined up here.

So stop pretending otherwise, you pretend Finnish speaking Walter Mitty.

Nobody takes you seriously because you’re self-evidently a moron.

It’s actually disturbing how stupid you are… There’s this thing called Google translate… you fucking idiot :grinning: I’m not on twitter, that’s just more projection on your behalf, as you clearly spend a lot of time scouring that cesspit. You’ve been had, again.

It’s behind a paywall you idiot :laughing:

The Finnish speaking Walter Mitty caught out again :laughing:

Don’t do this to yourself again, mate. I’ve read the full article, you haven’t. You’ve jumped in unprepared, frothing at the mouth and been scolded. A paywall, oh shit a paywall on the internet :grinning:

Still digging :laughing:

Why on earth do you wake up every day and decide to make a fool of yourself on the internet?

Do you get off on humiliating yourself or something?

How long is it since you joined up here?

And what have you contributed to the forum except extreme, cliched right-wing culture warrior stupidity?

It’s not even remotely original, it’s just fucking sad and pathetic.

So you’re still contending I haven’t read the interview/article and I’ve made it up?

@Sidney?

9/6/2019 6:15 p.m.updated 06.09.2019 14:27

POLICY FOSSIL RENEWABLE ENVIRONMENT

Petteri Taalas KAROLIINA VUORENMÄKI

The Secretary-General of the World Meteorological Organization calls for the big issues to be addressed in the fight against climate change. “There has been such a sense of ghosting. Reasonable means for Finland should be carefully considered. ”

Petteri Taalas, Secretary General of the World Meteorological Organization (WMO), points the path from the backyard to the forest. Along the way, five children of the family once went to kindergarten.

Five. That’s a big family these days. Many are now wondering if children can be procured at all. Will the offspring have to live as an adult on a ruined planet? Every child and occupant is a source of emissions. Can I even have children?

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Who: Petteri Taalas, 58

Job: WMO Secretary-General of the World Meteorological Organization since 2016, elected for a four-year extension

Career: Researcher and Research Professor at the Finnish Meteorological Institute and as President and CEO 2002-2016 with the exception of Pest WMO Department Director 2005-2007

Education: Doctor of Philosophy in Meteorology

Family: Spouse and five children

Hobbies: commuting, swimming, hunting and Lake Saimaa

“Now we should put on the ice and ponder what is really the solution to this problem,” Taalas says on the terrace of his home in Nuuksio, Espoo.

Taalas is the highest ranked Finn in the UN. His second home is in Geneva, as he was recently elected to run the United Nations Special Organization for Weather, Climate and Water (WMO). Member States ‘satisfaction with Taalas’ reforms shows that he did not receive any candidates.

The long-term meteorologist does not see the basis for the apocalyptic predictions that are now in circulation.

“There will be no end of this world, the world will only become gray. For some of the planet, living conditions are getting harder, but people have been living in difficult conditions, ”Taalas says.

In his view, the Finnish debate and reporting on climate change has become too distressing.

“The Finnish media atmosphere has been a cause for concern. The latest thing was that children are a negative thing. For example, I am concerned about young mothers who are living under many burdens. This adds to their load. ”

According to him, the solution to climate change does not require an individual to have an ascetic life or give up child labor.

“The fight against climate change can be done in good spirits. Big things are done at the state level. If you start living the life of a scheme, the world will not be saved, ”Taalas says.

But what world will be saved? At the state level, things do not look very good. Despite the Paris Agreement of 2015, global emissions have risen over the last couple of years as global energy demand has increased. The direction is wrong.

“Climate change is solved by private investment, not just public money. I believe in win-win issues. That it is economically viable to invest in climate friendly solutions. Consumers can benefit economically and even through healthy food or exercise. ”

Is the climate oppressive? “If anxiety leads to action, it is a positive thing. If it leads to a deterioration in the quality of life, that’s a bad thing, ”says Petteri Taalas. KAROLIINA VUORENMÄKI

Should you move to New Zealand? This was what Petteri Taalas was thinking about with his current wife in the 1980s. They participated in peace marches and feared nuclear war. The fear was exacerbated by Soviet propaganda.

“We were thinking that maybe in New Zealand we would be safe because the southern hemisphere is not so polluted. We also think that it is not worthwhile to have children in such a world. ”

Fear and anxiety subsided when there was no war.

“At that time there was the same spiritual atmosphere as now with the youth. Should do something fatal very quickly. The media partially feeds it. Forests and food, for example, are important issues in combating climate change, but they are not the core. Now they have gained a lot of weight, ”Taalas says.

What would be most important now?

“In Finland, as in the world, the key to solving the problem is to give up fossil energy. Abandonment of oil, coal, natural gas and peat in Finland. That is the key, ”Taalas says.

Still, Taalas doesn’t want to downplay the importance of, say, vegetarian food. 70% of the cultivated area goes to feed, ie meat production. Feeding the growing world population requires change.

“Young people have an interest in making positive decisions. You can see it from your own children. When they are on the cook, we usually eat vegetarian food. ”

Taalas explains his views from quite a few vantage points. WMO is responsible for natural disasters, climate and water resources. It has also set up an Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) with the United Nations Environment Organization (UNEP), whose scientific climate reports are constantly gaining attention.

The next UN climate summit is in New York in September.

“I am leading the conference science group, where we will summarize the latest scientific findings and evaluate new initiatives in different countries to combat and adapt to climate change. The aim is to raise the level of ambition in reducing emissions. If it cannot be lifted, we will move towards a 3-5 degree warming at the end of the century, ”Taalas says.

This kind of warming already sounds quite scary as extreme weather phenomena have become more common.

“We also need to focus on adapting to climate change.”

Until a few years ago, climate scientists had a fierce debate with so-called skeptics who disputed the foundations and results of climate research. This has diminished, but experts are now being challenged from the other side, according to Taalas.

“Experts are under attack that we should be much more radical. There are threats and extremists at the end of the world. ”

Much more radical climate action today is demanded, for example, by the Extinction Rebellion or Elokapina Climate Movement, which already requires zero emissions in 2025 and “truthful” climate information from governments.

Some kind of holy book on climate research is the IPCC reports. Now they are also being exploited in the same way.

“The IPCC reports are read like the Bible, seeking certain verses that justify their own extremes. It has the features of a religious extremism, ”Taalas says.

On the other side are right-wing populists who oppose any kind of emission reduction and climate policy. How do I find the centerline here? Taalas would seek a model in Finland in the 1970s, when the Korpilampi seminar created a common view on Finnish economic policy.

“We need some kind of climate Korpilampi. Bringing biodiversity supporters, scientists, politicians and business to the same table without hesitation. We would consider what makes sense for Finland in this regard. ”

“There has been such a sense of ghosting. Reasonable means for Finland should be carefully considered. ”

Indeed, the current government program promises to bring various actors to the “round table on climate policy”. One challenge for the government is to make sure that climate action is acceptable to the public. The difficulty was evident when France was raising its fuel tax for climate reasons. It was blocked by yellow vest demonstrations.

“In democratic countries and probably in China, this is a delicate matter. Prohibition policy will easily rain on the bar of other types of decision-makers in the next elections. You have to think about how to get the people involved, ”Taalas says.

In his view, individual and sometimes minor means have been brought up by the media and researchers in climate policy.

“There has been such a sense of ghosting. Measures are obviously needed, but Finland needs to think carefully about what to do. This requires interaction between different actors in society. ”

He hopes for the media to be critical and versatile when interviewing experts and stakeholders.

“We also have a certain reservations about our experts. We are sometimes promoters of our own cause. This has also been reflected in forestry and diet issues. ”

For him, for example, the most important thing was the ozone study 20 years ago.

“The more it was referenced in public, the finer. At the same time, he hoped to increase funding for his field, ”Taalas says.

Global climate emissions have risen over the last couple of years, partly because of growth in economy and production. Now the world economy is threatened by a trade war. Is it ultimately good for the climate?

Taalas does not declare himself a “Lincoln”. He does not like the trade war and the economic crises good for the climate.

“It may be that the trade war is focusing on things other than combating climate change. This was the case with the financial crisis. In climate action, soil is best when there are no other worries. ”

He also does not believe that climate policy should or should be widespread into prohibitions or some form of command economy.

“In a global sense, the problem is being overcome by investing in non-fossil solutions for power generation, transport and buildings. Land use and changes in the nutritional economy can further enhance this. The public sector has to create the framework, but the resources come mainly from elsewhere. ”

The fight against climate change does not require a lower standard of living.

“Economically and technically, we can do the fight. That was the message of the October IPCC report. Living with adverse effects is estimated to be 20 times more expensive than the investments needed to overcome the problem, ”Taalas says.

However, policy makers need to create a framework and a clear direction for market forces.

“This is what has happened in the EU and emissions have steadily decreased.”

According to him, the UN climate negotiations are now in a situation where countries are following each other. This is partly because President Donald Trump announced his choice to withdraw from the treaty after his election. However, the strength of the market forces and the Länder is evidenced by the good emission performance in the United States.

“The US has already implemented half of the Paris Agreement commitments. It is invested in renewable and energy-saving because it is economically attractive. ”

For example, the Navajo coal-fired power plant, with annual emissions equivalent to more than three million passenger cars, will soon be closed in Arizona.

At the same time, China’s emissions grew 3 percent last year. According to the Chinese State Research Institute, the country’s coal use would not begin to decline until 2025. Will China stick to its goals?

“A large amount of coal power has been built, and it is difficult to give up immediately. This is a big economic issue, ”Taalas says.

He reminds us that giving up coal power has not been easy in Helsinki either.

“The economy supports the transition to renewable sources, but it does not happen in an instant. China has seen this as a business opportunity. They are the world’s leading producer of solar technology. ”

Taalas believes that increasing the carbon footprint of products may accelerate China’s coal power shutdown.

“I would put the bangs in particular to give up fossils and develop a forestry culture.”

The Nordic countries are an encouraging example in the fight against climate change. For example, Finland’s emissions are one fifth lower than in 1990, even though the economy has grown. The situation is further improved by new wind power, which is already worth building without subsidies, and by new nuclear power.

“Nuclear power can produce basic energy. It could replace fossil energy in China and India, for example, ”says Taalas.

The challenge for nuclear power is that the price has risen due to increased safety requirements. According to Taalas, small-scale power plants with high expectations can help.

So there are ways, even if the challenge is big. According to Petteri Taalas, there are as yet no signs of horror images of climate change, such as the reversal of the Gulf Stream or large-scale methane depletion as the Siberian permafrost melts.

“If we look at the state of the world, excluding climate change and population growth, then we are in the best of mankind’s time in many ways: the economic, health and, for example, the position of women will never be better. This whole picture doesn’t care about people, "he says.

This is well illustrated, for example, by the book “The World of Facts” by the late Swedish professor Hans Rosling.

"Global climate change and population growth are things that aren’t well under control, but they can also be solved

How long did it take you to scour the internet for that, mate :laughing:

Now that you’ve found it to copy and paste, you should probably go and read it :grin:

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I read it last night like I said I did. I strung you along for a bit of light hearted amusement and of course you didn’t disappoint. Another lesson for you on the internet :grinning:

It took you all of 10 hours to scour the internet to find an article you saw referenced and taken out of context on some far right US clickbait site :smile:

Christ you’re good :laughing:

As always, the only idiot you string along is yourself

You are a constant source of unintentional hilarity