You need to expand your reading and viewing.
Did you read the book?
The name Al Queda came from the CIA, Terrorists in the ME just ran with it as it gave them a banner and made them looked big and organized, neither of which is really true.
[quote=âmickee321, post: 760227, member: 367â]thatâs exactly my point you simpleton
The people killed in Boston are ordinary people like those who are maimed by acts of war and terrorism every day in various locations all over the world, they are no different to some homeless kid in Baghad who took shrapnel in the head a few years back from a US mortar strike and also is dead.
People like you who choose to call these acts collateral damage , now you have taken a disgusting moral high ground and have tried to decide that the life of a kid in Boston is more valuable than some kid in Iraq, well its not, they were both in the wrong place at the wrong time and ended up dead., Yes its very sad for the families involved but save me the double standards that i suppose are a a consequence of that catholic upbringing that was belted into you and that you belted into to yours over the yearsâŚ
FAO Rocko,
Robert Fisk is a joke, He is the poster boy of bleeding heart liberals and greenpeace types who have no clue what is happening in the world and the senstaionalist, anti western rhetoric he puts together is as bad as anything the likes of Fox run with from the opposite end of the spectrum[/quote]
This is a rarity, but bang on, completely right in everything you say there.
[quote=âPiles Hussain, post: 760221, member: 363â]Isnât there a big vote on gun control coming up?
After yesterday awful events, the American people will need their guns now, more than ever.[/quote]
I see what youâve done there
[quote=âcaoimhaoin, post: 760286, member: 273â]You need to expand your reading and viewing.
Did you read the book?
The name Al Queda came from the CIA, Terrorists in the ME just ran with it as it gave them a banner and made them looked big and organized, neither of which is really true.[/quote]
Kev, even if Al Qaeda is a CIA creation, which isnât âpretty much acceptedâ, the fact that terrorists âran with itâ as you say means that it does exist. Youâre confusing the murky origins of the organisation with its existence.
The âAl Qaedaâ doesnât exist as a group. There are a number of terrorists with little or no connection to each other being called the âAl Qaedaâ. Rule 101 when dealing with the sheeple, you have to give them an entity to fear, otherwise they become easily distracted. âAl Qaedaâ is basically a catch all for all Muslim Terrorists.
So you are saying I was correct in what I originally said.
The evidence used to show this big network if evil doers has also been, if not completely disproved ( probably canât be), it has been shown and recorded that alot if the links between terrorist suspects were thin at best an utter bull shit at worst.
Itâs amazing how much stuff people still take as gospel because of the mainstream media. Seriously Rocko, if itâs something that interests you then you should expand who you let tell you the stories. There is bull shit spouted by alot commentators in both sides, but after a while the picture kinda reveals itself.
Al Qaeda was a very useful framework on which to project all the Cold War era fears about a highly organised international conspiracy with âsleeper cellsâ and the like. Makes for much more compelling story telling that a rag-tag collection of geographically scattered non-state actors with delusions of grandeur.
They were a rather typical creation of the Bush Age. Just believable and marketable enough for the mainstream media to run with it, not credible enough to withstand even the mildest critical analysis.
Bottom line Rocko, what Iâm saying is, is there a shit load of dangerous people around the world who would like to destroy western culture - yes.
Will they do it - Incredibly unlikely as they are a relatively small number and unorganized.
Are they all mates on Facebook? - No
[quote=âcaoimhaoin, post: 760348, member: 273â]Bottom line Rocko, what Iâm saying is, is there a shit load of dangerous people around the world who would like to destroy western culture - yes.
Will they do it - Incredibly unlikely as they are a relatively small number and unorganized.
Are they all mates on Facebook? - No[/quote]
Now weâre in agreement Kev.
[quote=âmickee321, post: 760227, member: 367â]
FAO Rocko,
Robert Fisk is a joke, He is the poster boy of bleeding heart liberals and greenpeace types who have no clue what is happening in the world and the senstaionalist, anti western rhetoric he puts together is as bad as anything the likes of Fox run with from the opposite end of the spectrum[/quote]
Fisk is hugely biased against the west and Israel, but in fairness to him he has lived in the Middle East for so long, speaks Arabic, met bin laden etc that while biased he would have an accurate handle on middle eastern sentiment and âtheirâ version of events. Iâm not saying I agree with him but I donât think he makes stuff up, no harm reading him to balance all the pro west propaganda, taking both with a pinch of salt?
Iâm also not sure about your statement about al quaeda. Surely all this widely disparate group of nutters have a secret handshake they use to get into their massive underground lair in tora bora? Im joking there, any organisation is make believe, the fact that western media and government still use it shows the respect they have for peopleâs intelligence.
Reading online that patriot day has become an anti government protest day for militia types, so highly likely yesterdayâs horror was home grown.
Fisk gives âthe Westâ the unpleasant reality of their policy in the middle east. When he excoriates Assad or any of the other Arab Regimes his arguments are perfectly credible and reasonable. When he does the same to the US or UK governments heâs a mad man.
have a lot of time for Robert FiskâŚwasnât afraid to tell the truth about what was happening to catholics in Northern Ireland back in the dayâŚ
heâs also dedicated most of his life to the Middle east so would take on board what he saysâŚ
Of course any journalist who actually tells it like it is is âhugely biased against the US and UKâ, and most likely, âan anti-semiteâ.
You can throw Pilger into that category with Fisk too.
Much better to trust âofficial sourcesâ when dealing with Middle East matters.
Kev destroyed Rocko here.
It wasnât all bad news in Boston yesterday. I see Mike Napoli hit a walk off home run in the 9th inning in the early Patriots Day game in Fenway Park to seal a 3-2 victory over the Devil Rays.
There was only the two bombs anyway, reports of other bombs being found or of that fire in library being linked were all false. They blew up a couple of suspect packages yesterday (lunch boxes most likely) and that may have led to some confusion.
This is what America gets for letting Obama take God out of marathons.
Nice tribute from Tony Leen in The Examiner today:
The larcenous nature of death, its habit of breaking in on us when we are least prepared and stealing the irreplaceable, has seldom been more painfully experienced than on the avenues and sidewalks around Boston City yesterday afternoon.
Ha ha ha
Heard a report that they found a lad of Arab extraction amongest the injured, decided to detain him and search his apartment because they thought he was the bomber. For no other reason than he was an Arab. They found nothing.