[QUOTE=âRocko, post: 1058215, member: 1â]The media reaction to Munsterâs defeat at the weekend was sickening.
Irish Independent front page said âMunster and Leinster Keep Hopes Aliveâ and then inside there was an article by Billy Keane with the headline of âSmirking French Didnât See This Minor Miracle Coming.â I could only bring myself to read the first couple of paragraphs but it was typically nauseating stuff. Outstanding efforts at keeping the blinkers on though. Even in a defeat, weâre told about Munsterâs miracle performance. Fucking idiots.[/QUOTE]
100%.
Munster
- in a great position to score an early try when going well and made a fuck of it
- had several brain farts that led to tries. The conceding of the try at half time was ridiculous
- the decision making of several Munster players, especially Zebo is atrocious. Iâve decided heâs been found out, not only by opposition teams, but by the astute Joe Irish coach as well.
- the lack of discipline reflects poorly on the coaches.
- They are completely over doing this shite about Indigenionus coaching. It seems to me that it now looks like an inventive coach like Penny made a lot of the other lads insecure and they basically shafted him over time. Probably leaking shite to the press. Iâd say Flannery and Mick O Driscoll will be good, and ROG certainly is a broad thinker, but Foley just doesnât do it for me at all.
- Keatly is a dipshit. Ok he kicked well the last day but he is a narky cunt who looks to blame others for every mistake he makes.
Basically Foley, Zebo, Keatly and arguably a few others are AIL level decision makers. Itâs holding the rest back.
Iâd be very surprised if Hanrahan stayed around.
Its nearly as bad as finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th in the EPL being celebrated as some kind of a success and gaining entry to the âChampionsâ League.
Celebrated?? Yeah, open top buses around towns and cities :rolleyes: You mug⌠At least qualification has to be earned in the CL, the Irish provinces waltz into this thing every year do they not?
Its not a âChampionsâ League if sides that finish 2nd, 3rd or 4th are playing in it. Arsenal have been playing in it for something like 16th consecutive year and they werenât at the races in terms of winning anything for more than a decade.
To the best of my knowledge Munster only ever had an open to bus when they actually went and won the European Cup. Contrast that to the Ăire soccer team who had an open top bus in 1990 after arriving home from a World Cup where they hadnât even won a game or a welcome home concert in the Phoenix Park in 1994 after being eliminated at the last 16 stage.
[QUOTE=âManuel Zelaya, post: 1058393, member: 377â]Its not a âChampionsâ League if sides that finish 2nd, 3rd or 4th are playing in it. Arsenal have been playing in it for something like 16th consecutive year and they werenât at the races in terms of winning anything for more than a decade.
To the best of my knowledge Munster only ever had an open to bus when they actually went and won the European Cup. Contrast that to the Ăire soccer team who had an open top bus in 1990 after arriving home from a World Cup where they hadnât even won a game or a welcome home concert in the Phoenix Park in 1994 after being eliminated at the last 16 stage.[/QUOTE]
If you were to break down the numbers that play the game, skill levels, include qualification process etc etc Munster winning the Heino cup would be the equivelent of Liverpool/Manchester/Chelsea etc etc winning the league cup⌠Ireland just qualifying for a world cup in football would is the equivelent of the Cook Island winning the world Cup in rugby⌠you really canât compare the two.
[QUOTE=âManuel Zelaya, post: 1058393, member: 377â]Its not a âChampionsâ League if sides that finish 2nd, 3rd or 4th are playing in it. Arsenal have been playing in it for something like 16th consecutive year and they werenât at the races in terms of winning anything for more than a decade.
To the best of my knowledge Munster only ever had an open to bus when they actually went and won the European Cup. Contrast that to the Ăire soccer team who had an open top bus in 1990 after arriving home from a World Cup where they hadnât even won a game or a welcome home concert in the Phoenix Park in 1994 after being eliminated at the last 16 stage.[/QUOTE]
So you are completely focusing on the âChampionsâ element of the primary football club competition not being correct, and neglect the fact that, as @ChocolateMice says, rugby teams donât even have to qualify to get into their âEuropean Cupâ (teams from Ireland, Britain and France).
And you never even addressed the initial Irish Independent point.
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 1058378, member: 273â]100%.
Munster
- in a great position to score an early try when going well and made a fuck of it
- had several brain farts that led to tries. The conceding of the try at half time was ridiculous
- the decision making of several Munster players, especially Zebo is atrocious. Iâve decided heâs been found out, not only by opposition teams, but by the astute Joe Irish coach as well.
- the lack of discipline reflects poorly on the coaches.
- They are completely over doing this shite about Indigenionus coaching. It seems to me that it now looks like an inventive coach like Penny made a lot of the other lads insecure and they basically shafted him over time. Probably leaking shite to the press. Iâd say Flannery and Mick O Driscoll will be good, and ROG certainly is a broad thinker, but Foley just doesnât do it for me at all.
- Keatly is a dipshit. Ok he kicked well the last day but he is a narky cunt who looks to blame others for every mistake he makes.
Basically Foley, Zebo, Keatly and arguably a few others are AIL level decision makers. Itâs holding the rest back.
Iâd be very surprised if Hanrahan stayed around.[/QUOTE]
Elaborate on Zebo there. Iâm not putting any meas in it but for example the score put him in their team of the week. The way my ster are playing this year is hardly conducive to a winger looking good either.
if we are focussed on Champions League then Rugby World Cup needs to be âRugby Worldâ Cup
[QUOTE=âfarmerinthecity, post: 1058408, member: 24â]So you are completely focusing on the âChampionsâ element of the primary football club competition not being correct, and neglect the fact that, as @ChocolateMice says, rugby teams donât even have to qualify to get into their âEuropean Cupâ (teams from Ireland, Britain and France).
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Chocolate Mice is wrong as usual when it comes to matters rugby. If youâre going to engage in an argument on rugby, at the very least you should master some very basic facts first. To compete in the European Rugby Champions Cup, French and English sides have to finish in the Top 6 in their domestic championships. 7 places are allotted to sides from Ireland, Wales, Scotland and Italy based on finishing positions in the Pro12 league. The remaining place is allocated to the reigning champions.
[QUOTE=âfarmerinthecity, post: 1058408, member: 24â]So you are completely focusing on the âChampionsâ element of the primary football club competition not being correct, and neglect the fact that, as @ChocolateMice says, rugby teams donât even have to qualify to get into their âEuropean Cupâ (teams from Ireland, Britain and France).
And you never even addressed the initial Irish Independent point.[/QUOTE]
They do have to qualify. A far more valid and obvious argument is that the competition is now called euro champions cup, with all the same flaws as the football title
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 1058378, member: 273â]100%.
Iâd be very surprised if Hanrahan stayed around.[/QUOTE]
Hanrahan going nowhere Kev
One of the main reasons I react to rugby is that despite the fact that it is played by barely any of the population of this planet, has noticeably less skill than other sports, and has some rules that its biggest fans donât understand, there is a horrible snobby element amongst its supporters with regard to the other sports which appears in part to be related to a class thing, of which there is no place in sport.
That was a long sentence.
No itâs not. I wouldnât even address the two competitions on the same level.
Wasnât an opinion, it was a fact. Both are called champions comps. Neither is
Iâm not saying itâs not fact. Iâm saying that I donât want to raise it as that would draw comparisons between the two competitions, when the football one spans the whole of the continent and is much harder to qualify for.
96 teams entered the fray to win the 2015 Rugby World Cup.
The seven rugby World Cups have produced 4 different winners from 3 different continents.
Twenty soccer World Cupâs have only ever produced winners from two continents and within those continental land masses youâre talking about the winners coming from Western Europe and the Mercusor sub-region of South America. Thereâs never even been a World Cup soccer finalist from outside of Europe or South America.
In 2015, weâll see truly global World Cupâs in rugby and cricket with a diversity of genuine contenders for ultimate honours from all corners of the globe. You just donât get that depth and variety of competition in a soccer World Cup.
[QUOTE=âfarmerinthecity, post: 1058426, member: 24â]One of the main reasons I react to rugby is that despite the fact that it is played by barely any of the population of this planet, has noticeably less skill than other sports, and has some rules that its biggest fans donât understand, there is a horrible snobby element amongst its supporters with regard to the other sports which appears in part to be related to a class thing, of which there is no place in sport.
That was a long sentence.[/QUOTE]
Soccer is the sport that most strongly attracts a class thing. One of the main reasons I react to soccer is that its invariably played and followed by lowlifes who donât know how to behave themselves either on the field or in the stands/terraces.
Is there any other sport that requires the level of policing and segregation of rival supporters thatâs needed in soccer?
I think Treviso can finish bottom of the Pro12 and still qualify for the European âChampionsâ Cup
