Nickleback - How You Remind me
Counting Crows - Mr Jones
The Goo Goo Dolls - Iris
Aerosmith - Dont want to miss a thing
Blur - Country House
Oasis - Stop crying your heart out
Baby, I’m amazed by you. How come you didn’t include Shapeshifters - Different Person? I spent a week singing that song in the summer of 2004 but replaced “different person” with “Dado Prso”. It drove me fooking demented and made me hate Prso even more.
You’re some fooking dope. The thread title is “Worst Songs Ever”. I’m going to turn around and slap you on the back of the head now. By the time you read this it’ll be too late. Mu ha ha ha.
Blake, i have to take serious issue with several of the songs mentioned above:
I think that teh Goo goo dolls, Aerosmith and Oasis songs mentions are ok (although i would not be a big fan of those bands in general)
Im a big KC fan (both musically and sexually); really like “walk away” its got that funky beat, makes you want to get yer groove on and move out to LA. Also, for poignancy (thats another boarding school term) i like “behind those Hazel eyes”
Kelly Clarkson is hot hot hot, Pete Doherty is a mong, i never even heard of him before this website and i am yet to hear any of his songs - what a “nobody”! Even Britney Spears beats him in that category
I think this is an unfortunately titled thread, but that some of the songs named by Farmer are certainly overrated. Blur’s Country House for example, I remember the rhyme of “balzac” with “prozac” being praised when the song was first released, but firstly it’s not a particularly clever rhyme, and secondly I doubt that Albarn’s protagonist would indeed have been reading Balzac. Also, some of the lines don’t scan very badly; the line “paying the price of living life at the legal limit” looks good on paper (e.g. in the album sleeve) but doesn’t actually fit in, so much so that he drops “legal” in the song. I’m a big fan of Blur, and even this song has good moments, but is nonetheless overrated in my opinion.
Counting Crows “Mr Jones” I would stand over, however, cracking tune, some interesting lyrics, and takes a more sympathetic approach to Mr Jones than does the Dylan song that is obviously being referenced, which in comparison has a rather preachy tone. Any song that compares favourably to Dylan has to be great imo.
An example of a song I find to be hugely overrated is “Let it Be” by The Beatles. Repetitive, vague lyrics, and a tune that never takes off. Not one of the worst songs ever certainly, but if any other band had released this song, it would have sunk into deserved oblivion.
Another thing that annoys me is bands not putting enough thought into their lyrics. One example I just came across is from “Return to Innocence” by Enigma, “Don’t be afraid to be weak, don’t be too proud to be strong”. How can you be “too proud to be strong”?? “Don’t be too proud to be weak, don’t be afraid to be strong” would make far more sense.
Similarly - and more controversially - the line “nothing to win and nothing left to lose” would in my opinion be more powerful if the order was reversed. “Nothing to lose” can be a good thing, “nothing to win” is definitely not, therefore in the present order the line falls off into anticlimax. Bono stated that “All that you can’t leave behind” was the first album for which he wrote down lyrics before going into the studio; I think the line above (of course, from “With or without you”) shows the dangers of his previous method.
Christ Law you’re really reading alot into the lyrics. I might defend the last one as a former U2 fan, and still appreciator of their earlier stuff.
Are you suggesting the lyrics should be “nothing to lose and nothing left to win” or “nothing left to lose and nothing to win.” Either way they are weaker than the original. NTLANLTW doesn’t make sense because it changes the meaning entirely. NLTLANTW would not fit the song well with the 5 syllable section moving to the start of the line.
Anyway you are analysing “nothing to lose” as being not entirely negative. The actual lyric is “nothing left to lose” which takes the clich? of “nothing to lose” and subverts it into something darker and more hopeless - an awful situation where the protagonist not only has nothing to gain, but they have already lost everything worth holding onto. That is far more powerful that saying they have nothing left to lose but nothing to win. The “nothing to win” bit is taken for granted, it’s the fact that we are led to believe he is going to say “nothing to lose” which creates the despair in the line “nothing left to lose.” Anticlimactic my hole, it’s the very opposite.
In fact Bono is quite good at manipulating clich?s in his lyrics: “it’s the blond leading the blind” - If God will send His angels. There are loads of examples I can’t recall off the top of my head.
I would propose NTLANLTW, as you say, the other doesn’t fit. I think “left” does make the phrase darker, but that it would have the same effect if inserted into the phrase “nothing to win”. And I don’t think “nothing left to lose” is any less clich?d than “nothing to lose”, after all the former phrase was used by Kris Kristofferson in “Me and Bobby McGee” many years prior to U2.
Incidentally I’ve seen the line in “If God will send His angels” quoted as “It’s the blind leading the blond”, but I presume you’re just testing me there. And if you think I was reading a lot into the lyrics previously, how’s this for an abstruse talking point: is the use of “blond” rather than “blonde” intentional?
“Nothing left to lose” suggests an image of a person who has lost everything they once had. It is far darker than “nothing to lose” - which is almost positive as you pointed out.
“Nothing left to win” on the other hand is hardly different from “nothing to win” - just somebody who has nothing to gain from the current situation - indeed “nothing left to win” could be interpreted as somebody who has won it all. So they have nothing to lose and nothing left to win - i.e. they are in the perfect scenario. That’s completely different from the intended meaning.
Apologies I misquoted there. I actually checked the lyric to see if it was blond or blonde and in concentrating on that I got the order mixed up. I was expecting “blonde” I have to say and was surprised to see “blond” - I’d guess it is intentional.