Yulia Tymoshenko freedom thread

[twiceasnice97]

Dangerous times. If the russians get away with this the baltic states will start to get worried. The poles moving their troops to the ukrainian border is the most dangerous part of it all

[twiceasnice97]

As regards putins motives I think it is self preservation. If he let this happen unopposed his own position could be under threat from similar demos

[glasagusban]

@twiceasnice97

The poles moving their troops to the ukrainian border is the most dangerous part of it all

Why?

[Watch_The_Break]

@twiceasnice97

As regards putins motives I think it is self preservation. If he let this happen unopposed his own position could be under threat from similar demos

Either that or securing the warm water port at Sevastopol I guess. Probably both.

[Watch_The_Break]

@twiceasnice97

As regards putins motives I think it is self preservation. If he let this happen unopposed his own position could be under threat from similar demos

Either that or securing the warm water port at Sevastopol I guess. Probably both.

[twiceasnice97]

@glasagusban

Why?

Because poland is a country that was squashed by the russians in ww2 and they are part of the eu.
If for whatever reason war breaks out in the ukraine the russians might come very close to polands borders and there will be tons of poles who had relatives shoved into a hole in katyn who would be only too willing to fire on russian soldiers

That would be eu troops fighting russians

[twiceasnice97]

@Watch The Break

Either that or securing the warm water port at Sevastopol I guess. Probably both.

If russia did nothing that port would be secure. Ukraine had no navy that could oppose the russians afaik

[glasagusban]

[quote=“twiceasnice97, post: 911612, member: 1061”]Because poland is a country that was squashed by the russians in ww2 and they are part of the eu.
If for whatever reason war breaks out in the ukraine the russians might come very close to polands borders and there will be tons of poles who had relatives shoved into a hole in katyn who would be only too willing to fire on russian soldiers

That would be eu troops fighting russians[/quote]
A massive stretch. And the country is called “Ukraine”.

[TreatyStones]

Does Ukraine have much of an army?
They have shown serious restraint so far.

[Watch_The_Break]

It’s hard to imagine this is anything more than a further warning to the EU (and NATO) about meddling with Russia’s sphere of influence. Once troops have been deployed you never know what could happen of course, but Russia seeking military confrontation with the EU just seems too improbable.

[twiceasnice97]

@Watch The Break

It’s hard to imagine this is anything more than a further warning to the EU (and NATO) about meddling with Russia’s sphere of influence. Once troops have been deployed you never know what could happen of course, but Russia seeking military confrontation with the EU just seems too improbable.

Once these things start to roll they can be hard to control. all you need to ask is who thought we would have the type of ethnic murder that took place in yugoslavia.

There are lots of nut jobs willing to stir up hatreds to get control and power

[RaymondCrotty]

ALL OVER RED ROVER

[TreatyStones]

@Raymond Crotty

ALL OVER RED ROVER

What’s over?
The Russian Invasion of Crimea?
Civilisation?

[Fagan_ODowd]

[quote=“TreatyStones, post: 911618, member: 1786”]Does Ukraine have much of an army?
They have shown serious restraint so far.[/quote]
Second biggest army in Europe. Unfortunately Russia has the biggest.

[Watch_The_Break]

@Fagan ODowd

Second biggest army in Europe. Unfortunately Russia has the biggest.

Do they? Their annual military budget is only $1.9Bn compared to Russia’s $90Bn. Is that enough to put them n second place?

Incidentally, our own military budget is in the region of $1.2Bn, which gives some indication of how fucked the Ukranians are.

[Bandage]

@twiceasnice97

There are lots of nut jobs willing to stir up hatreds to get control and power

Putin clearly influenced by Loughnane’s behaviour in 1998 here.

[mickee321]

[quote=“Watch The Break, post: 911567, member: 260”]Use military force against who? The Ukrainian population?

Even for the hyper-reactionary, ball scratching militarist scumbags in the Russian establishment this all seems a bit much. The interim government, as far as I can tell, seem quite moderate and centrist and are seeking to address legitimate grievances with respect to how the country is being run. Bar some loose enough talk about them moving closer to Western Europe, they don’t seem to have adopted and overtly anti-Russian posture at all.[/quote]

that’s one way of looking at it, others would see them as a disorganized rabble who illegally seized control of a government that was democratically elected.

[ciarancareyshurlingarmy]

WFT with RTE? the spool tape has just had a breakdown … .or perhaps the Russkies have taken RTE off the air

[Bandage]

Hopefully Darren O’Dea and family stay safe.

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