1916 rising celebration

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I’d love to see a US journalist making the same argument about their war of independence. They’d be probably be lynched and rightly so.

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I think it’s a different situation in the US (and many other countries celebrating revolutions/independence wars) in that there is no impact on a current political situation similar to the potential impact in Ireland with IRA etc.

It was funny looking at twitter on Sunday after Rebellion with SF types complaining that RTE made the rebels look amateurish and this was an RTE agenda. Whatever one believes about their actions, I think it would be broadly accepted that the 1916 rising was incredibly amateurish from a solely military perspective. Revisionism comes from all sources and in relation to 1916 probably started the week after the rising finished.

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Not a rising or a rebellion.

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What’s the preferred nomenclature?

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in Ireland or usa ??

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Act of terror.

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Terrorists in America?

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What?

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Ireland.

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Act of terror. define

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I’m not a dictionary.

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You cant or you woudnt I will help you in the morning

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I only saw it last night, I wouldn’t have any problem with the way it was portrayed. It’s been well documented in places that they should have been well able to take the thinly guarded castle, though obviously it wouldn’t have ultimately made a great deal of difference.

I thought the portrayal of Pearse a bit harsh, particularly since they haven’t really bothered with any of the others. Made him out to be a bit of a cult leader.

Overall though I’d be more worried with the gack acting and poor scripting than anything else.

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Come at it from any angle you want, pal.

The question of whether Ireland would still have been part of the UK without the rising is a difficult one for those who were against it to confront, and I haven’t yet seen any of them do so.

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It’d be grand if people accepted that you can’t celebrate 1916 as such because it is so closely associated with failure:

  1. The Terrorism Thread is fairly lively on here these days - Celebrating a bunch of quacks occupying post offices and biscuit factories and generally shooting up the middle of a city centre jarrs a little in this day and age.

  2. Militarily, even on the lowest expectations, it was woeful. They never succeeded in taking over Dublin Castle, which would have been the big prize, and proceeded to occupy, amongst other positions, a public park surrounded by high buildings.

  3. After a week they surrendered, and were shot.

Absolutely it deserves commemoration, the path of Irish history completely deviates at the moment the GPO was occupied and the declaration read out, but July 4th it is not. The subsequent War of Independence is far more worthy of celebrating: the cause was more publicly supported at the time and from a strategic, military-execution point of view it was more intelligent and successful. However because of the ensuing political and geographical divide, this ain’t gonna be celebrated any time soon either. National holiday wise, we’ll just have to settle with getting absolutely scuttered on Paddy’s Day.

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Agree its not a history programme fact wise

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The choice of targets was awful but the insufficient numbers meant they were fighting a losing battle from the start wherever they chose.

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Padraig Pearse was a transvestite and a terrorist - all the participants in '16 were terrorists.

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Most women in Ireland are transvestites these days, pal.

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It’s wonderful that they are maintaining Pearse’s ideals. You’d have to say fair play to them.