You said plenty AI club win ing managers have failed as county managers. Now you are saying you did not say that. That you said something else. But you didn’t.
Winning is very largely dependant on having very good players. Timing helps. Support from chairmen and boards or clubs etc is very important as well.
The fact that you down play winning an AI club which is arguably harder to win than anything else in Irish sport is simply dumb.
Incorrect, your misrepresentation of what I said is actually the lie.
You’re the guy mentioning “failed”, show me where I mentioned “failed”? I drew umbrage at the portrayal of Rochford as some sort of managerial genius on the back of his club success. I said that plenty of managers who had success at AI club level never did anything at county level so he is not destined to become a success on the basis of that.
I can only think of Kernan in recent times who has won a club AI as manager and went on to have success at intercounty level.
The problem with you is you can’t read what’s in front of you without jumping to wild assertions that have nothing to do with the statements that were made. Do you not remember the time you went around claiming McGuinness admitted his training methods caused injuries when the quotes attributed to him said nothing of the sort?
I notice you’ve been trying to evade your own statements about Castlebar not being AI contenders, that’s where accountability comes in - you wrote them off out of hand and have been made look an awful ignorant fool.
Some point from NaP there.
Brian Sheehan seemed to be yellow carden then black carded but a sub came on is this right?
They were the best i have seen them today. Corofin didn’t turn up. It happens. Its incredibly hard to win back to back club titles.
Nobody is misrepresenting anything. You made a stupid statement and are now trying to get out of it.
Give me examples of winning club managers who failed at Inter County because they were spoofers.
You called Rochford a spoofer based on one display after around 20/21 months of success. Despite the fact that he got every inch out of thise players. They played very clever football. Anyone with a brain would see they were very well coached. Its slaps you in the face with Corofin.
While not as silky you could say the same about Castlebar today who have scored some great goals this year but its more their defensive qualities that has them where they are. Stricturally they are very solid.
Yellow and black is red i thought
You are misrepresenting what I said. You claimed I said plenty of club winning managers “failed” at county level which I didn’t. I made the point that club success is no guarantee that you are cut out be a success at county level and I’ve delved further into it. Only Kernan in the past 15-20 years (that I’m aware of) has tasted success at club level and subsequently went on to achieve success at county level.
My opinion happens to be that Rochford comes with a huge reputation and one I don’t think is justified, I don’t hold him as a spoofer on the basis of today, I happen to feel he has an exalted reputation on the back of one season and happen to be very dubious about his credentials. Time will tell as to that.
Whether Castlebar were the best you have seen them today or not is irrelevant. you authoritatively wrote them off out of hand a few months ago. You were proven wrong but you don’t want to be accountable for the nonsense you spout.
You called him a spoofer because he did something that is exactly the opposite of spoofing. He realises that being on the sideline all the time is not the best use of his time. I do 't understand why more don’t do it.
As for Rochfords standing, i have never heard anyone worth listening to go over the top on him. But he did coach one of the most impressive club teams i ever saw last season. Only Vincents, Cross and Nemo were as impressive in my memory.
Of course Castlebar improving is relevant to my opinion. And it is ok to adjust ones opinion as you go.
They have a chance, certainly more than i thought, as there doesn’t seem to be an outstanding candidate left. Lots of pretty decent sides, but nothing more.
He did something that is the exact opposite of spoofing?
WTF? A manager should be down on the sideline and having a hands on approach, rugby football is a game full to the brim of spoofers which is why the managers sit up in the corporate boxes in their blazers. In real sport, managers are on the sideline.
He hasn’t done anything yet to really prove he’s worth the reputation he has, well done on the club AI but he has it all to prove in the big leagues.
You’re backtracking on Castlebar, you completely dismissed them out of hand, you made no efforts at a disclaimer or anything, they just weren’t good enough and that is what you said. You were wrong. Just like when you completely ruled Down out of promotion to Div 1 last year, they had no chance according to you - none, zero. In your opinion, it didn’t matter about Castlebar improving because they weren’t good enough.
It’s par the course for you to make bashful, ignorant, bizarre comments showing a complete lack of knowledge of the game and then distance yourself from them when the result is in.
Why should he be on the sideline?
It only makes absolute sense in a sport like NFL where there are “plays” etc. Have you ever worked with a club team or inter county team? Or played in either?
Also billy Morgan and Pat Gilroy are 2 more good club managers who in recent times have had success at IC level.
Extra time new game. One black = player replaced.
Some of us had Castlebar flagged as serious All-Ireland contenders from a long time back.
Corofin hadn’t the pace to deal with them.
You’re missing the point, nobody was going around hailing Gilroy as a genius on account of his club work. Morgan was managing Cork back in the late 80s/early 90s. He was a success at county before he went on to club.
Rochford’s record is based on one successful year with a big club with great tradition, it’s all about context and the fact that Rochford has an All Ireland club doesn’t mean he is some sort of managerial genius or one of the brightest minds in the game.
I think players would generally prefer having their manager there on the sideline rather than being invisible up in some stand, maybe if you played the game you might understand.
It wasn’t pace. Corofin are quite oacey. I felt it was more the wall Castlebar built across the Corofin half back line and the pressing up on kickouts. They pinned them back for long periods by dismantling their kickouts and using the advantages they possessed very well. It was well thought out.
They played to their strengths and got the rewards.
Pat Gilroy didn’t manage at club level.
I am in my 34th year of playing and 21st of coaching.
If the players need a man on the sideline then you are in trouble. Being up in the stand seeing how the other team are set up and structured is ine huge point. At the very least you should have somebody tou trust up there.
Billy Morgan was coaching county winning teams way before he became a county coach.
It was just a sarky, throwaway comment, Kev. I didn’t see the game on TV.
He did.
No, yellow cards carry thru. Plenty of players have got a red for a second yellow in extra time. Ref may have just fucked up.
