Management pick and prepare the team. You never answered my question about tipp vs limerick at ht.
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99 years on from shooting the only rebel they had and now they trash their own city
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I donât see the relevance at all
The players are responsible for performance after being prepared and picked.
They quit on the pitch
Itâs huge part of it. The unselfishness is incredible.
Jackie Tyrrell honed in on this last night and his comment wasâŚâat least make them beat you from 100 yards out rather than 30 yards.â
Itâs a fair point, but Iâm labouring my own one that Limerick will mix it whichever way you like.
If Cork played with 7 defenders and, say, Damien Cahalane man marking Lynch, the wing backs holding their positions zonally, Coleman playing an active free role in front of the full back line (trying to cut off passing options for Flanagan/Gillane runs), 3 across midfield with likes of Conor Cahalane foraging deep to engage with Limerickâs half forwards when they do likewise, only 4 out and out forwards and tried to strangle all space in their own halfâŚ
âŚI reckon youâd still have had Byrnes and Hannon knocking over points untouched from distance, youâd still have Hayes and Hegarty powering through the tackles, even though Cork had men back there, youâd still have Lynch extricating himself from tight spots and picking passes with his sheer class and I think theyâd still win comfortably.
I guess it might have been more competitive and closer for longer though. Cork got cleaned out when Collins went long with his puck outs but itâs hard to keep going short too when Limerick work and hit so hard all over the pitch. I recall Jack OâConnor getting a point to make it 1-4 to 1-5 after around 13/14 minutes and a few Cork players took big hits throughout the move trying to move the ball short. Robbie OâFlynn actually did very well to retain possession and pass it back to OâConnor for the shot. But my point is, with the relentlessness and intensity of the tackling, some short passes start to go astray or balls get fumbled, Limerick swarm all over it and Corkâs confidence is sapped. It takes an awful lot out of a team to keep working it efficiently through the lines against Limerick. So what then? Go long a bit more? Limerick will happily accept that too.
I guess the only asterisk against Limerick is the fact they havenât come up against Wexford in this run of 3 All Irelandâs in 4 years.
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We will just have to agree to disagree on this iâm afraid. Id be pretty confident that if you swapped the management set up of both teams yesterday, youâd see an entirely different performance from both teams. Look at Italy before and after Mancini as another example of how utterly important management/coaching is to success.
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I donât know how youâve gotten to where you seem to think I donât think management is important.
My point is the players have to take responsibility for their own performance too. Some of the heads dropping is not on at all, no matter who is manager.
Its easy to point the finger at players. Management set them up to fail, heads dropped. Its understandable. Weâve all played for good and bad set ups.
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Good analysis with a very small asterisk, miniscule even. They sight of Davy roaring on the sideline would have provided a little extra motivation.
To stand up with Limerick you need forwards who will win some 50/50 deliveries and your own puckouts. Easier said than done though
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Its a combination of things tho⌠The last thing i said to @Phil_Leotardoâs dad as we parted to go to our respective sections⌠I posed the question @Bandage laid out above, how long could Cork take the hits âŚ
Tactically and pyhsically destroyed⌠Its a lot for young players to process.
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This was the key learning they took from the 2019 loss to Kilkenny. The accuracy and willingness to shoot from distance increased considerably after that.
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@backinatracksuit ⌠Your boy Fitzgibbon had another stinker. Was it him that did the silly hand pass for Limericks opening goal? The goading of Richie English in '18 finished himâŚ
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There seems to be a theory that there is way to beat Limerick called âplaying around themâ. This must presuppose that Limerick wonât get in amongst the team that is trying to play around them and disrupt them and grind them down physically. Canât see how this is supposed to work in reality.
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Iâd say you have no choice. Donât think any one man can mind Lynch in form he was in yday
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That was Luke Meade
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Odds for 2â22. Second favourite 7/1 jesus
Limerick 8/13
Galway 7/1
Cork 8/1
Tipp 8/1
KK 11/1
Waterford 14/1
Waterford are the pick of the bunch if they stil have the stomach for it.
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Have Galway backed at 50/1 
I was thinking the same. An each way bet at 14 is savage value
Interesting the way the Ballymun boys were portrayed as scumbags and all sorts for throwing a few digs last week but the Limerick boys for all their Judo chops, butts of hurleys to the ear, slaps across the head and crushing opponents hurleys are merely âplaying on the edgeâ.
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