250 MILLION pay rise for public sector

From todays Indo.


250m pay bonanza for 340,000 in civil service
Employees will get ‘automatic’ salary increases of up to 2,400

By Fionnan Sheahan Political Editor

Tuesday May 12 2009

HUNDREDS of thousands of public sector workers will benefit from a 250m pay rise bonanza this year, the Irish Independent has learned.

Despite the dire state of the country’s finances, increments paid to civil servants and state agency employees moving up their pay scales are still being made to most of the 340,000 workers in the public service.

The perception of a pay freeze and the pension levy hitting public sector workers stands in stark contrast to the reality of state employees in permanent, pensionable jobs.

They are still seeing their gross salaries increase because the Government is allowing them to receive increased pay purely on the basis of time served.

So a pay ‘freeze’ in the public sector does not mean that workers stay on the existing salary – unlike the situation for thousands of private sector workers, many of whom have actually taken deep pay cuts.

A recent survey by Lansdowne Market Research found that three quarters of private sector workers had agreed to take an actual pay cut to protect their jobs. Fine Gael last night repeated its call for the pay scales to be actually frozen for the duration of the economic downturn.

The party has found some civil servants at the top of their respective pay scales are getting wage rises of 2,400 for long-service. However, the Government is shying away from further angering public sector workers already reeling from pension and income levy increases.

A sample survey across a range of departments shows an average payout of 2,345 for the civil servants entitled to the long-service payments.

The pay scales in the public sector see most workers go up the scale each year, meaning their gross salary increases on an annual basis.

The public sector pay bill is costing the taxpayer 20bn a year.

Fine Gael enterprise spoke-sman Leo Varadkar last night said the non-payment of increments would save 250m this year, 500m next year and 750 the year after.

“Stay where you are. It’s a genuine pay freeze,” he said.

He said it wasn’t right to be increasing public sector salaries “when the country is broke”.

Mr Varadkar challenged every minister to state how many of their staff were getting long-service salary increments this year, but the main departments, such as health, education and justice, bizarrely said they don’t actually have the information.

Average

However, the replies the party did receive show a group of 7,378 civil servants getting 17.3m, working out at an average of 2,345.

Long-service increments are paid to public servants who reach the top of their pay scale, after three and six years.

The Department of Finance last night confirmed 250m will be spent on salary increments in the public sector this year. “If all increments due for payment in the public service in 2009 were not to be paid, the saving would be somewhere in the region of 250m for a full year,” the department said.

But a spokesman for the Department said Finance Minister Brian Lenihan does not have any plans to stop the increment scale.

The pay scales ensure those who are starting out in a post are not paid the same as a worker in the position for several years. “Increments are always part of salaries in a major organisation. You don’t just have the one scale. To get their increments, there is a performance system,” the spokesman said.

In the public service, a pay freeze means the actual rates do not also go up under national wage agreements, the spokesman added.

The Department of Education did not have the information available on the numbers getting long-service increments for Mr Varadkar, but have committed to providing it.

To date, it has failed to do so.


So, in summary, everyone (EVERYONE) is still getting promotions and there are pay rises with those promotions and they are still getting them.

It just beggards belief.
There are lads on 25k a year who, this monthm, will feel a right pain after the budget kicks in, but the levy they pay will go towards paying a guy on twice their salary who has a job for life a promotion.
This country has lost the run of itself.
As for the unions banging on about terms and conditions and they can’t be changed. “New Contracts”. Thats all.
The IMF must be chomping at the bit to get in here.

Yours etc,
GSH.

well deserved:clap:

cant wait for mine

[quote=“north county corncrake”]well deserved:clap:

cant wait for mine[/quote]

:eek::smiley:

[quote=“north county corncrake”]well deserved:clap:

cant wait for mine[/QUOTE]
I’m more worried about the lads that are moving up from 120 to 130k a year and not the small fry like yourself.
I’m happy that the lower end get some money.
Only for I need it myself I would post you a tenner a month to help you out.
Poor fella.
Yours in sympathy for the poor,
GSH.

[quote=“Garda Sean Horgan”]I’m more worried about the lads that are moving up from 120 to 130k a year and not the small fry like yourself.
I’m happy that the lower end get some money.
Only for I need it myself I would post you a tenner a month to help you out.
Poor fella.
Yours in sympathy for the poor,
GSH.[/QUOTE]

:smiley:

More sensationalism. Nothing more than increments. Surely there’s stories out there more worthy of coverage than slamming the useless idle civil service again.

The bank time, thats something I’d chase up if I was a journo.

[quote=“myboyblue”]More sensationalism. Nothing more than increments. Surely there’s stories out there more worthy of coverage than slamming the useless idle civil service again.

The bank time, thats something I’d chase up if I was a journo.[/QUOTE]

they are just reporting whats always been known - still driving the anti public service message

good to see GSH been against his own increment though

This country is hurtling towards bankruptcy. None of these civil servants will be getting paid by the end of the year the way things are going. The public finances are way worse than what is currently reported - this will come out after the Euro elections.

raise taxes
cut middle class welfare
hang the blessed dj

[quote=“north county corncrake”]they are just reporting whats always been known - still driving the anti public service message

good to see GSH been against his own increment though[/QUOTE]

I realise that mate, but its just more sensationalism and it rots my ballbag to be honest. Listened to a podcast the other day with a rogbee player from Oz playing for Linster and he couldnt get over how obsessed we are in this country with the recession. He’s dead fooking right too, we love to make ourselves miserable.

big time, we just have to roll with it whatever happens

plenty of the purse doesnt prevent starvation of the soul - money or the lack of isnt the meaning of everything

Christ. Are you 6?

As for you MBB? I’m not sure what you consider news, but if the government tell the population that there are pay freezes and it turns out that what they meant is not “pay freezes” but that the increment amounts are frozen but people will still get promotions/pay rises then it’s major news.
I want to know about it so if you are sick to the teeth of hearing about it then fair enough. The country is obsessed with the recession and how the government is lying at every juncture. Of course people are obsessed.
When you’re family get split up to move abroad to find work then maybe you’ll see the social side of the recessions effects a bit more.
Money isn’t the meaning of everything, but without it, you can’t pick and choose where you live or how you live and that has social implications.

When there is a way out of it and the government have the means to tackle it then it’s infuriating to see them make mistake after mistake and tell lie after lie and bail out the banks and public sector while others are losing their jobs.

Sticking your head in the sand and saying you’ve heard enough is just you giving in.
Making ourselves miserable? People out of work, living at home and no job or moving abroad to get work. That is not “making ourselves miserable”. Thats upsetting.

Yours in having lost alot of respect for MBB,
GSH.

[quote=“Garda Sean Horgan”]Christ. Are you 6?

As for you MBB? I’m not sure what you consider news, but if the government tell the population that there are pay freezes and it turns out that what they meant is not “pay freezes” but that the increment amounts are frozen but people will still get promotions/pay rises then it’s major news.
I want to know about it so if you are sick to the teeth of hearing about it then fair enough. The country is obsessed with the recession and how the government is lying at every juncture. Of course people are obsessed.
When you’re family get split up to move abroad to find work then maybe you’ll see the social side of the recessions effects a bit more.
Money isn’t the meaning of everything, but without it, you can’t pick and choose where you live or how you live and that has social implications.

When there is a way out of it and the government have the means to tackle it then it’s infuriating to see them make mistake after mistake and tell lie after lie and bail out the banks and public sector while others are losing their jobs.

Sticking your head in the sand and saying you’ve heard enough is just you giving in.
Making ourselves miserable? People out of work, living at home and no job or moving abroad to get work. That is not “making ourselves miserable”. Thats upsetting.

Yours in having lost alot of respect for MBB,
GSH.[/QUOTE]

there are pay freezes-you should know that as a public servant

so what’s it like with your head in the sand?

id say reacting to something thats been in the public domain for months because its in the newspapers is more of an indication of having your head in the sand than not been shocked by it

[quote=“Garda Sean Horgan”]Christ. Are you 6?

As for you MBB? I’m not sure what you consider news, but if the government tell the population that there are pay freezes and it turns out that what they meant is not “pay freezes” but that the increment amounts are frozen but people will still get promotions/pay rises then it’s major news.
I want to know about it so if you are sick to the teeth of hearing about it then fair enough. The country is obsessed with the recession and how the government is lying at every juncture. Of course people are obsessed.
When you’re family get split up to move abroad to find work then maybe you’ll see the social side of the recessions effects a bit more.
Money isn’t the meaning of everything, but without it, you can’t pick and choose where you live or how you live and that has social implications.

When there is a way out of it and the government have the means to tackle it then it’s infuriating to see them make mistake after mistake and tell lie after lie and bail out the banks and public sector while others are losing their jobs.

Sticking your head in the sand and saying you’ve heard enough is just you giving in.
Making ourselves miserable? People out of work, living at home and no job or moving abroad to get work. That is not “making ourselves miserable”. Thats upsetting.

Yours in having lost alot of respect for MBB,
GSH.[/QUOTE]

Can you bullet point that for me KIB?

:smiley:

More scutter from Sir Tony and his ilk.

If it’s scutter then it’s not true.
Are you saying it’s not true?

When the rest of the world is banging on about how they seem to be over the worst of it and how their stimulus packages are starting to work, Ireland is still in the situation of not protecting jobs.
All their are doing is putting some cash to plug a hole in the banks.
Come June everyone will be down alot in their wages. Higher tax will just mean people will spend less and less. We’ve been lucky here becuase mortgages have plummeted since last year so all the extra money given in tax is offset by the drop in mortgages.
This government is a sham.
The danger is that other countries do get out of the recession quicker and their stimulus packages are creating new jobs, while we are being taxed over 55% here.
Who will bother staying? People will just piss off.
Yours etc,
GSH.

I’m saying its not news.

I think you are a bit naive to say the very least. Oh it’s in the “public domain” - well that makes it alright then. Nonsense.
By making it a headline story, the government is forced to address it. The it gets added to their list of f*ck-ups. Then they get removed for the shower of wasters that they are and the next govt is warned to get into gear or face the same fate…

You are one of those people who hasn’t been hit by recession and you’re wondering what all the “fuss” is about. Well played.