Shut the fuck up @Nembo_Kid and @croppy_boy PLEASE ye are ruining this thread @Rocko HELP
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Shut Joe you commie bastard.
When I’m arguing a specific point it is hardly selective to look at the relevant factors. The point I have been arguing from the get go here has been the traditional republican vote in the border regions and how FF have had a republican vote in these regions that is transfer friendly to SF.
The stats that are relevant in looking at how strong this is would be the FF loss, the SF gain and hoe much of the SF gain eats into the FF loss. That is an entirely logical approach.
The % share the SF gain took out of the FF loss of votes in the border regions was 43%. FACT
The % share the SF gain took nationally (excluding the border regions) out of the FF loss was 14%. FACT
That’s not even including independent Republic candidate Thomas Pringle.
Why does the FF vote transfer 3 times the national average to SF in the border regions if it is not down to a republican angle?
The traditional FF vote in Donegal and border regions is much different to that further south of the country. There is no baggage in them switching to SF as most of the people in the border region have big republican sympathies. That’s just a fact and the figures very much reflect that. You can see that in the history of the border region with republican candidates taking chunks out of the Fianna Fail vote.
Despite your protestations, my argument has been consistent and unwavering from the start. I’ve also grounded in facts, you have been the one flip flopping, dishing out weak excuses and offering nothing substantive.
You have offered me nothing substantive to me. Your debating skills are laughably bad. I will continue to expect you to evade my question on the difference of the border regions to the rest of Ireland as it comprehensively destroys your argument.
Ifs and buts, apples and oranges, here say and conjecture, fact and fiction.
Shout as loud as you want with the imaginary victories that you believe you’ve won. You’re only kidding yourself.
But that doesn’t mean that they haven’t had republican support.
There has always been a strong republican vote in Donegal.
In the past, most of the republican vote went to FF and Independent FF. In the last 5-10 years much of that republican support migrated to SF.
Please don’t disagree with the screamingly obvious.
He got that point ages ago but lacking true class he is refusing to take his beating.
Hard day at the office for the two lads.
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It doesn’t matter who won, we’ve been the real losers here
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I’ve said what I’ve had to say, I’m not spending any more time arguing with two biased idiots.
Difficult to determine who won since I can’t even decipher what they are arguing about.
Something about Republican votes, something about Sinn Fein and FF, something about Donegal and border regions
The fact that Sinn Fein have made gains at the expense of Fianna Fail as a result of the FF vote in border areas being of a more traditional republican base.
Another thing to remember that when the Anti H Block candidates got voted in during the 1981 election it was at the expense of Fianna Fail candidates.
There is nowhere near the same baggage for border region FF votes to switch to SF. That is represented in fact.
SF made the big gains off the FF drop in the last general election in the border regions.
FG and Labour made the big gains off the FF drop in the rest of the country.
Kong Holocaust Denier argues against this.
I told him he was wrong because he said that SF made huge gains in Donegal last time out because the republican voters changed from voting FF to voting SF.
I pointed out that they made gains because everyone up here was pissed off with the establishment, sick of being unemployed and disillusioned with FG and Labour, along with FF, that was why SF made the gains.
Then he exploded into one of his usual streams of mad rhetoric and selective statistics to back up his made up mantras.
The statistics prove my argument correct. If your argument was right the SF gain on FF votes would not be three times the national average in the border regions.
You have nothing substantive toward your argument. You have failed.
How were voters in Donegal disillusioned with Labour and Fine Gael, pal? Both increased their vote in Donegal last time round
Yes they picked up votes from FF but not as much as they should have based on the rest of the country.
I’m not arguing with you further on this as you have no interest in a debate based on logic. You just want to spout selected stats that suit you.
Because of the republican angle, as was the case in the other two constituencies that are on the border.
Now once again, why did the border regions have a swing from FF to SF of three times the national average?
The anti-establishment vote is something you have had to reach for and it crumbles in front of the facts.
No it doesn’t.
I’m not going down the same route again with someone as close-minded and biased as you.
It does.
Once again. Why was the FF to SF swing three times the national average in the border regions?
A question you continue to hide from.
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