I think he can identify how he likes given that is how the internationally recognised Good Friday Agreement is framed.
Eli Cohen was born in Holon yet apparently it is fine to say he is a coloniser and really Moroccan.
It is weird how with @Cheasty and @glasagusban how they suspend their usual approach to matters when it comes to Israelis. The fact that their initial responses were “dope” and “stupid” shows that they are struggling with this cognitive dissonance.
Why do you hate refugees?
Here is Gallant with his Holocaust surviving mother before her death.
Are there any other people that your typical approach to refugees doesn’t apply to or is it just the Jews?
You’re making a fool of yourself with your trolling.
How is Israel not a colonial project? It’s a colonial project in the same way the modern day nation states in North America and Australia were colonial projects.
It’s a colonial project in the same way the white colonies in Africa and the latter day apartheid systems were colonial projects. And in the same way the Ulster plantation was a colonial project.
The ancestors of Leo Varadkar and Hazel Chu didn’t emigrate to Ireland as part of a colonial project to set up a separate state and oppress the people who already lived there, you arse.
Why do you excuse Israel? Do you excuse the genocides of indigenous people in North America? Do you excuse the treatment of the indigenous people in Australia? Do you excuse apartheid in South Africa?
Why the different standards for Israel?
This moronic, would you ever cop on to yourself.
What’s moronic?
Do you agree with saying Yoav Gallant is really Polish?
Dimmy/Jason is nothing if not a stereotype. I was too kind him in the below paragraph. He’s full Johnny Arse.
Never go full Johnny Arse.
Israel is an internationally recognised State that has a right to exist.
That does not mean Israel can do what it wants or the politicians cannot be questioned.
But the simple fact is the above is bile.
I know that your brain generally moves only from one big story to the other and the depth doesn’t always come out, but you realise that States and State lines move fairly regularly in world history?
You are blaming the children of refugees (and Holocaust ones) for where they were born and calling them colonisers. Odd how @Rocko permits this kind of far right discourse.
It’s a simple point.
Why is it okay to say Yoav Gallant is really Polish when he was born in Jaffa?
They are colonisers. They came to Palestine to set up their own state and displace the natives. They penned them into ghettoes and have just murdered 40,000 people. They continue to bombard them with bombs. They openly hope for mass death of the natives through disease.
If a million Irish people descended on the Sinai tomorrow and set up their own state called Iresrail, that would be a colonial project.
What is a state’s “right to exist”?
Does Galicia have a right to exist?
Does Alsace have a right to exist as part of Germany?
Did the Soviet Union have a right to exist? Did the British Empire have a right to exist?
Do you object to the term native American?
You apply zero standards to Israel and your worldview is now openly the same as that of the most notorious colonisers throughout history.
What nationality is somebody born in Vilnius in 1941?
What nationality is somebody born in Vienna in May 1938?
What nationality is somebody born in Brooklyn in 1965 who moved to the West Bank in 2018?
The State of Israel entered the UN in 1949 yet you do you not think it should exist.
@Cheasty appears to not agree with the international rules based world order put into place post World War I.
This puts into focus any statement from you about international law etc. Indeed it undermines anything as regards settlements.
Your post above is very interesting in the context to his previous posts talking about the need for international recognition.
Much like with refugees, it appears these cherished things don’t matter when it comes to the Jews.
Some might say you make it up as you go along.
Whatever way a country chooses to recognise citizenship in the context of the international rules order.
It appears that is something you cherish and think is important, except for Israelis and Jews.
The far right is alive and well on TFK anyway.
You haven’t pointed out any actual problem with anything I’ve written.
The Soviet Union was recognised by the UN. So was Yugoslavia. Did they have a right to exist?
What nationality is Bezalel Smotrich?
Why do colonists have a right to come in en masse and set up a colonial state which oppresses and genocides the natives?
Why are you so protective of the right to commit colonial genocide?
According to your own words-
There’s heaps more from on the topic if you want me to quote it but I think that’s succinct.
Here is the news report of Israel about to be recognised by the UN.
So what you’re saying is that a state of Israel exists in nature and that no borders can or should ever change?
Funny how Israel says it has a “right to exist” yet continually denies Palestine’s right to exist, isn’t it?
Funny how you’re fine with that.
Does the fictional state of Iresrail have a “right to exist”? Does an Islamic caliphate in Andalusia as espoused by the most fundamentalist Islamists have a “right to exist”?
All this comes back to what you are - base principles, core beliefs.
Your core belief, when we boil it down, is that you hold the rights of imperial colonisers most dear. Their “rights” - ie. the right to oppress, displace and genocide - are always the “rights” that should be upheld.
You are waffling now. I’m not defending Israel’s actions here as a State.
What I am saying is that they exist under what you describe below;
I am also saying that calling someone born in a particular place a coloniser is the language of the far right. Will you be taking anymore inspiration from Justin Barrett et al?
The only real way a country can become a country is by convincing other countries that it is a country. And more of those countries recognise Israel than do Palestine. Israel has a right to exist enshrined in international law and for very good reasons.
What they’ve done as a state is terrible, though no worse than a lot of others.
I didn’t call Jamie Heaslip a coloniser, mate. Nor do I call Terry Butcher or Dr. Pat O’Neill colonisers. Or Leo Varadkar or Hazel Chu.
I called Israel a colonial project. Which it is. Same as the US is. And Argentina. And Russia. Millions of people invaded a land and set up their own state and oppressed and murdered the people who were living there in order to set up that state. They kept them under the jackboot and the jackboot is now getting ever worse. That’s what a colonial project is.
You say Bezalel Smotrich is Israeli and not a coloniser despite him being born in the occupied Golan Heights and living in the occupied West Bank.
In terms of waffle, you are Mr. Bird’s Eye.
Like Northern Ireland?
The reality is that the people who moved to Israel used the Holocaust as blackmail to get international recognition for their own colonial project, and this state now behaves in much the same way as the regime which went on to commit the Holocaust.
The international community recognised Germany’s annexation of Austria and Czechoslovakia. It recognised Nazi Germany’s “right” to call those places “Germany”.
It recognised Russia’s “right” to call Lithuania and Georgia “the Soviet Union”. It recognised Indonesia right to call East Timor “Indonesia”.
Israel has exposed the West’s hopeless double standard as regards barbarity. The West has willingly allowed Israel to destroy any moral authority the west has. And that is a disaster.
This has worked out mostly as I predicted, with the exception of the re-election of Mick Wallace and Clare Daly, thankfully.
Tim cries about “international law” yet supported the invasion of Iraq and now he’s most concerned about the “rights” of those who now commit genocide.
