A new low for Israel. How low can they go?

Very fucked. No doubt that some of the caring Free Palestine folk will blame him for living there in the first place.

Israel started the war when it pre-emptively bombed the Egyptian airforce on the ground and lied to the UN about supposed Egyptian bombings/action to provide pretext. Egypt had half its army tied down in a conflict in Yemen at the time and was never seriously going to attempt to invade Israel.

Jordan controlled the West Bank at the time and King Hussein, in a fucked-if-he did; doubly-fucked-if-he-didn’t dilemma, entered hostilities knowing Israel would win any war with the Arab countries. He saved his kingdom in Jordan but lost the West Bank and got a ton more Palestinian refugees to deal with.

The Arab countries that invaded after the DOI did so in the context of, at that point, up to 400,000 Palestinian refugees being displaced into their countries by the existing
hostilities. They also had their own particular self-interests and intentions for Palestine and plotted against each other - and with the Israelis in King Abdullah of Jordan’s case.

Egypt embarked on a war of limited intent and its aim was to re-claim Sinai that it had lost in 1967. Syria, similarly, wished to re-claim the southern Golan area it had lost in 1967. There was never the capability to invade or conquer Israel itself. Israel lost a serious amount of materiel in the first few days but this was replaced promptly by the Americans, which allowed a regrouping and subsequent crossing of the Suez to within 100km of Cairo before the Soviets got the US to call halt.

Ultimately Sinai was returned via Camp David and Israel got recognition, Sadat subsequently got the bullet - several in fact - for this.

In short, Israel has never faced an existential military threat since independence and it’s greatest concern in recent years has been one of delegitimisation. The usefulness of Hamas, Gaza, etc. therein not for this post.

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One of the interesting little quirks of TFK is the forum Blueshirts pushing the Israeli propaganda line. Must be guilt given the party’s shameful past.

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SF IRA are at least consistent in attacking Jews. They were the lads on Nazi Uboats.

https://www.qub.ac.uk/sites/frankryan/InterpretativeResources/HistoricalContext/TheIRAslinkswithNaziGermany/

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Bit of a stretch?

The post was vaguely interesting up to that point too

There’s a strange dichotomy between Israel fearful of attacks and trying to secure its borders. And then planting settlers in the West bank looking to extend its borders through clear antagonism. It will take the UN to go in and police but doubtful they have the stomach.

@mickee321 is there a second amendment in Israel? Would every household have guns to defend themselves?

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the longer this goes on the less likely a ground war will occur. A ground war will be a lose lose for everyone. Israel doesn’t want or can’t control Gaza. A full on invasion opens it to attack on 3 sides. Its most likely its military and political goals (Israel) will be achieved through the air. Its horrible that civilian casualties are an integral part of modern warfare. As cold as it sounds, its impossible to gather world sympathy and headline news on CNN et al without civilian atrocities in the mix. Since and maybe even before WW2 deliberate targeting of civilians is a key part of modern warfare.

Well, the likes of Amos Yadlin, former Israeli Head of Intelligence, has said as much. Israel has also poured funds into anti-BDS measures and lobbied for legislation against it in a variety of countries - particularly the USA. There’s also a range of academic studies dealing with the increasing tendency of US Jews not to identify with, or reflexively support, Israel and the implications of that for future capacity to influence political elites.

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How do I add the video? Sky News have deleted it apparantly

Lots of lads in here saying the yanks are pandering to the “Jewish vote” with their unequivocal support of Israel. As you point out, most American Jews are fairly secular and lukewarm or neutral when it comes to Israel.

As regards anti-BDS, the State of Texas, the 9th largest economy in the world, has a fairly strong take on that, and not afraid to enforce it.
So it’s not Jews, but the Christian conservatives.

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Nobody who approves of Israel slaughtering civilians in Gaza in the way it does can credibly claim to be outraged about what was done by Hamas.

It’s just dumb “when they do it it’s evil, when we do it it’s righteous” bullshit. Israel has not been invaded like Ukraine has been, no more than the US was invaded on 9/11.

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Agree.

There are good people on both sides of this divide who are forever fucked due to monsters representing them.

Hamas acted barbarically, so inhumanely but it’s has been reciprocated in spades by Israel.

Innocent civilians are caught in the middle of a geopolitical game as always.

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Shur there’s only a couple of million jews in the US, most of them living in new york

Yes but they’re all well up in the media/newspapers/TV etc.Hollywood is run by Jews if Entourage is anything to go by :face_with_hand_over_mouth:.

Naftali Bennett is a fucking headbanger. Here he is shouting at a Sky News presenter for two minutes.

You cant say that!

There are more Jews in America than in Israel, 7.6 million versus 7.1 million.
There are almost none in Europe for obvious reasons.

Hamas are cunts, Israel are also cunts but lets not foegwt that Egypt are getting away with being cunts. Stuck in the middle are Palestinian civilians. Surrounded and controlled by cunts

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I’m only counting the orthodox lads. The rest are no better than gentiles