Youâll have to do better than that. Sid is taking you to the cleaners right now. Not that I necessarily agree completely with what he is saying, but at least he is putting a bit of effort into it.
[font=âTimes New Romanâ][size=â3â][color="#000000"]Gilad Sharon, son of Ariel Sharon, had this printed in the Jerusalem Post today.[/size][/font]
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[left]We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didnât stop with Hiroshima â the Japanese werenât surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too.[/left]
[left]There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing. Then theyâd really call for a ceasefire.[/left]
Iâve considered your comment and ⌠itâs still a ball of shite
The dominant view within Israel is far more extreme than the one presented to the international audience. Haaretz surveys over the past few months have shown majority support for explicit apartheid measures and âpopulation transferâ (ethnic cleansing).
The military occupation has not only destroyed the Palestinians, it has destroyed Israeli society, as only military culture can. Forty years ago, openly racist xenophobes like Avigdor Lieberman would be laughed out of the political arena. Now, the bigger the thug you are the better. The more eager you are to send attack jets to flatten peopleâs houses the bigger the hero you are.
fcuk sidney - do these maps stack up? didnt hear obama mention them on the news tonight when he was mentioning Israelâs right to defend itself
[quote=âSidney, post: 473405â][font=âTimes New Romanâ][size=â3â][color="#000000"]Gilad Sharon, son of Ariel Sharon, had this printed in the Jerusalem Post today.[/size][/font]
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No doubt you will get similar comments taking an opposing view in the Iranian Sun today.
This is the Israeli âsettlerâ population over the 35 years from 1972-2007 - http://www.fmep.org/settlement_info/settlement-info-and-tables/stats-data/israeli-settler-population-1972-2006
Itâs been rising at a rate of 4-5% since then, and the West Bank settlement population alone passed 350,000 this year - http://www.jta.org/news/article/2012/07/26/3101811/west-bank-settler-population-rises-45-percent-to-350000
It would take an almighty commitment to the self-delusion to look at those maps and figures and tell yourself this is anything other than a violent land grab.
Eleven members of one family wiped out last night - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/18/gaza-israel-children-killed-air-strike
about [size=5]40,000[/size] children die every day from disease brought on by starvation!
This is a really sensitive issue no doubt.
Without enough knowledge of what is actually going on in Israel & Palestine on a day to day basis on the streets i always seem drawn to the Palestinian side. They have being marginalized to such an extent it is hard to feel real pity for Israel.
But, Israel & its people do have a right to defend against indiscriminate rocket fire too.
BUT, what makes me uneasy about Israel in what i say above is that a Country with their resources militarily & monetarily cannot knock rockets well out of the sky after Hamas launch them?
I mean, they are a serious force militarily with capacity to launch an attack against Iran if we are to believe what is wrote in papers etc. How can Hamas still land rockets launched from the West Bank into Tel Aviv & Jerusalem? It seems very strange to me.
On one hand Hamas can use the counter attacking by Israel to rally more support for their cause within the Arab world.
But Israel too can breed more hate within its own borders to effectively make a run of finally clearing Palestine as we know it with every rocket that they let Hamas land of their land.
Israel have been knocking rockets out of the sky all week.
Yes that is correct Runt, but how are any getting through at all is my question.
I find it hard to believe they donât have the technology available to knock every single rocket launched out of the sky before it gets near a target. :strokechin:
Itâs funny how we only ever hear about one sideâs âright to defend itselfâ.
We only ever hear about one sideâs âright to existâ.
The notion that equates the two sides as if they were somehow equal either in strength, in blame or in suffering, is completely ludicrous.
The war crime that was Operation Cast Lead produced 100 Palestinian deaths for every Israeli one. Expect a similar ratio this time.
The Palestinians want all Israelis dead. The Israelis want all Palestinians dead. The Israelis have been much more successful in their agenda to date.
I donât see the need to pick a side in this one really, they are all fucking mental.
Flicking between the BBC and Fox News for reporting on this conflict is very entertaining.
We report, you decide.
dont waste your time mate.
I had to depart my car on highway 4 between Ashdod and yavne twice tonight due to tzeva adom , the impact was audible from the highway at south ashdod,
then when i pulled in to Holon to meet Mrs. mickee321 in the store to buy a few things for the dinner i was greeted with an air raid siren as i departed my car that sent us all scurrying to the bombshelter in an department store, the subsequent thud and the destoyed apartement down the road in Rishon Le ziyyon was a pretty scary sight i must sayâŚ
i dont know who is running Hamas but what they are at is retarded, they spent the day firing rockets at random out of the strip that are ending up even landing on their own people, the one they fired in the direction of jersualem today landed near an arab village outside beit shemesh⌠meanwhile the IAF are out at sea shelling the strip incessantly for no reason, if they want to finish Hamas they must go in to Gaza, its getting boring at this stage, Egypt are going on about their sympathy with Gaza but yet if a palistinian crosses their border from rafah he is shot by the egyptian army, any ceasefire deals means Egypt are going to insist on the closure of Rafah after what happened last month when Hamas killed 9 egyptian policemen for some ridiculous reason.
this thing is only going to get worse, the leaders of both groups have no regard for human life and seem happy for this to continue just to satisfy their own agenda⌠the palistinans are some disaster to be honest, Fatah have been trying in the westbank but like his predecessor Arafat, mahmoud abbas is even more corrupt and is selling out his own people on an daily basis for his own gain and his yearly soapbox at the UN⌠he is quite happy to sit back and watch the IDF bomb the fuck out of Hamas in the strip as they are the very people who want him dead more than any Israeli⌠there is no solution for this⌠The Lebaneese, Jordanian and Egyptian governements will not intervene as they too are anti hamas , they are happy as well to sit back and watch hamas destroy themselves and offer token jibes at netanyahu who basically sniggers about it on TV in the company of the egyyptian foreign ministerâŚ
It reminds me of the story of puke and the dying dog. He couldnât stand by and watch it suffer so he ended Itâs existence to save it from any more pain. The Israelis need to go in a wipe the lot of the Palestinians out and be fucking done with it. Itâs not like they are gonna face any serious recriminations for it.
I see Hamas have executed 7 people in the last few days for collusion with Israel.
Mickee, do you think that the new Egyptian PM being from the Muslim Brotherhood could in fact be a positive force in ending this in the short term and working towards some sort of resolution?
Hard to say Fitzy, the army have quietly retaken power in Egypt, the president is just a figurehead.
the new egyptian PM is a puppet
the army are running the country .
the whiole arab spring thing was an absolute diaster and a waste of time, all it did was create a power vacuum that allowed the muslim brotherhood, a disorganised al qauda sponored rabble to be elected, but they have no policies of any discription apart from sharia and corruption so the army have just stepped into the void.
the sinai peninsula in northern egypt is utter chaos with hamas running riot trying to smuggle arms from sudan up into the strip and they are in constant battles with egyptian troops.
it suits Morsi rioght now , the egyptian PM to come out with some senseless rhetoric about the sistuation as he needs to at least show sympathy withthe palistinians , but the egyptian military couildnt care if hamas and the gza strip are blown into the sea as its one less problem for themâŚ
as i speak a bus just blew up in Tel aviv, looks liek we could be heading back to march 2002⌠absolute chaos here in work as people here this news