These Hamas daily updates are hilarious. If their claims were accurate theyâd have hundreds of IDF soldiers killed along with destroying hundreds of tanks.
https://twitter.com/AryJeay/status/1733977813953257829?t=Lj3RpGhx90tdn6z_CmMEaA&s=19
Even though we disagree on many issues I find myself nodding in agreement with Bernie here.
Israel dosnât want all their citizens to be killed and doesnât want to reach a compromise with those trying to kill them all.
This apparently makes them Nazis and someone mentioned apartheid so letâs also parrot that continuously
The UN should step in.
All Israel are doing is creating the next generation of hamas
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Apparently you say âfrom the river to the seaâ now, at least says one of Israelâs chief propagandists.
Given that Israel claims (mendaciously) that the phrase is a call for genocide, that they are now using it themselves can be taken as an actual call for completing this genocide to the very end, as a call for the extermination of the entire Palestinian population.
https://twitter.com/HananyaNaftali/status/1733879638235988284
We all know about hardliners on both sides who will accept nothing less.
The problem is some Evangelical saying it in reference to Israel or a âStop the Warâ pro Palestine type doing the same.
So no problem with Israel saying it directly implying genocide?
It is no secret than many in Israel want all the land.
Same with Palestine.
Hamas have to come off the pitch and no peace will ever be possible while they exist but I think Israel are only creating more Hamas fighters with this invasion
What has to happen for peace is that The Yanks need to leave the stage and let some honest brokers negotiate a shared future.
There hasnât been. US president with a genuine commitment to solving this (and not in the gift if vested interests) since Jimmy Carter
Camp David accords with Clinton were a pretty good shot at it?
I would have thought a big part of the problem is that extremists in both Israeli and Palestine camps have absolutely no interest in a shared solution and are quite comfortable with escalation. In that situation its extremely difficult for the political centre to hold on either side let alone drive through a solution that would inevitably require difficult compromises.
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Iâm sure others will have the completely opposite view but my understanding of camp David was a very pro Israeli approach from the US.
Surely not.
I think think I see a problem there.
If Israelâs actions over many years have only strengthened Hamas, and that is the case - and these actions will only make Palestinians more militant in the long run - well then Israel has three choices.
- Go on with an even more authoritarian version of what was the status quo, where Palestinians are penned into ghettoes with no rights, treated like shit.
- Negotiate with Hamas.
- Wipe out the population of Gaza and possibly the West Bank entirely, genocide them and/or banish them forever.
Clinton appeared to have a good go at it but the Israeli PM Rabin was taken out for his efforts by his own Countrymen. Scuppered the slim chance there & then.
I watched a documentary recently that appeared to show a strong contingent of the American negotiating team were Jewish leaning religiously but they were pretty much exasperated with Israeli government positions after the death of Rabin.
The Israelis are committed to the total destruction of Hamas and will pursue it as long as the current situation doesnât change, the only things that could realistically change that are escalaton to a broader conflict (unlikely as Lebanon and Iran do not want war with Israel) or the US wavers on support (also unlikely but possible, as Democrats are increasingly divided). They are gambling that they can wipe out Hamas while still having the support of the west. What helps them of course is that Arab countries in the region hate Hamas as well and would like to see them eliminated just like Al Queda and ISIS.
We are now well beyond the longest regional war in recent memory (2014), hard to see anything changing for a few more months. The only potential positive outcome for both is Hamas being replaced in Gaza by a more moderate PA type government and then Israel and their neighbors rebuild Gaza. How likely is that though? Not very optimistic, realistically there there is no solution that appears workable.
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Hamas wouldnât knock snow off a rope by the looks of it, they have fuck all gear apart from AK47âs and RPGS