Abortion Referendum Thread

[Sidney]

@Matty_Hislop

I’d say quite a few will be off the roll, but they’re getting a free trip home so no big deal. There’s obviously loads of people out there with more money than sense funding this, so fair play to them for capitalising on this.

These people are entrepreneurs.

It’s more people like them Ireland needs, and less good for nothing, utterly useless cunts like @HBV and @iron_mike.

[HBV]

your tone is over the top on this issue, its abusive, stroppy, crude, intolerant, evasive, demented, condescending.

you are not a very nice person. im glad you are campaigning for YES.

[Tank]

1. Dr Kate Connors
   https://www.livescience.com/54774-fetal-pain-anesthesia.html

2. Dr Mark Rosen
   http://discovermagazine.com/2005/dec/fetus-feel-pain

3. Dr Harold J. Morowitz
   http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org/articles/fetal-pain.shtml

4. Dr. Stuart Derbyshire
   http://www.prochoiceactionnetwork-canada.org/articles/fetal-pain.shtml

5. Dr. K.J.S. Anand
   same link as above

“Pain expert Dr. K.J.S. Anand believes the threshold for fetal pain is 20 weeks and possibly as early as 16 weeks.”

I am good mates with all these doctors.

[Sidney]

Are you Niamh Nic Mhathuna, mate?

[Matty_Hislop]

Prepare yourself for his next dumb question.

[artfoley]

@Tank

“Pain expert Dr. K.J.S. Anand believes the threshold for fetal pain is 20 weeks and possibly as early as 16 weeks.”

Great peer reviewing

“Thanks to my husband Stephen Arthur (M.Sc) for reviewing earlier drafts.”

[backinatracksuit]

I’m almost certain that the foetus up to twelve weeks would feel absolutely nothing, perhaps you could look it up before suggesting otherwise, it’s a little thing but relevant

[Tank]

6. Dr Stephen Arthur

[artfoley]

@Tank

Dr Stephen Arthur

husband is the problem, not his qualifications

[HBV]

so you didnt hear it from doctors, you read it on the internet in prochoice paraphernalia

[HBV]

im suggesting absolutely nothing

[ironmoth]

@backinatracksuit

Somebody may correct me on this but I’m pretty sure that the foetus up to 12 weeks can feel no pain.

The foetal nervous system develops much earlier than that.

[iron_mike]

Oh dear Sid. You’re in full flight today. I’m glad tof finance your lifestyle. I’m getting a huge ROI from it

[Tank]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/900848.stm

"Professor Vivette Glover from Queen Charlotte’s and Chelsea Hospital in London, says she believes that foetuses over 17 weeks old may feel pain…
She told the BBC: "I think that the evidence is that the system is starting to form by 20 weeks, maybe by 17 weeks…
However, Ann Furedi, director of communications for the British Pregnancy Advisory Service, the UK’s largest independent provider of abortions, said no new evidence had been presented to suggest the foetus could feel pain…
“Even Professor Glover acknowledges that ‘it is incredibly unlikely that the foetus could feel anything before 13 weeks’.”

You obviously know much more about this than Dr. Glover

[backinatracksuit]

I had a radio interview on last week where a doctor campaigning for No conceded that the foetus up t twelve weeks would feel absolutely nothing, I’m no expert but it’s surprising that this particular expert made that concession of it’s not true

[ironmoth]

“Believes”. “Thinks”. Let’s hang everything on beliefs and thoughts, just like the fundamentalist Christians.

Re-read my post. The FACT is that the nervous system starts to develop much earlier than that.

[Tank]

What do you claim is the significance of this fact? The overwhelming majority of doctors and scientists are of the opinion that it is of no indicator that the foetus is actually feeling pain. It is a fact that you have made the decision to reject the overwhelming medical consensus on the issue.

A 12 week old foetus looks like Barnie the dinosaur. It looks scary as fuck. What are these pro-lifers talking about with their “fully formed person” and such shite. What are they looking at?

[Tank]

To be clear, you’re rejecting the medical opinions of Drs Connors, Rosen, Morowitz, Derbyshire and Anand because Drs Stephen Arthur and Joyce Arthur are married?

All she says is she thanks her husband for reviewing earlier drafts. She never even says he peer reviewed it. She has references to everyone she quotes, why don’t you review those references yourself?

[backinatracksuit]

Not at all, but the ‘edgy’ posters are drawn to that side here because it’s considered anti snowflake, the makeup of the divide is fascinating if unsurprising to watch,

[HBV]

a 12 week old foetus looks like barnie, it doesnt feel anything. is this the sick reasoning to turn the suction up high and tear it limb by limb out of its mother, killing it stone dead in the process?

ill tell ye something, all the people i ever heard who went for a 10 week scan never ever told me it looked like barnie, never told me they considered sucking its brains out because it cant feel anything.

in all cases they took a copy of the scan and stuck it up on the fridge door, delighted with it. proud of it.
there are some sick bad minded bastards out there who would do that to a baby, sick sick cunts. theyll have no luck for it.