Is there any conflict between supporting sinn fein and you stance on the referendum?
Yes.
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Not a doctor
How do you square that circle?
I donât. I disagree with their stance.
But you still support them?
Some awful tripe being posted here.
To feel pain, or anything for that matter, you need to be conscious or aware. If thereâs one thing science can bring to the abortion debate, itâs the stages of brain development in the womb. While itâs true the neural system starts developing in the first weeks of pregnancy, the nervous system and brain develops slowly and the structures necessary for conscious experience do not form until about weeks 28-30. There is zero scientific doubt that a 12 week old fetus can feel anything as the brain simply isnât developed enough. In fact all the evidence suggests that even in the third semester the developing fetus is highly sedated and has no awareness.
None of this is intended to try and answer any moral questions regarding abortion, but stating that a developing fetus in the first or even second trimester âfeelsâ anything is contrary to all known evidence, which is pretty well established at this point.
Carry onâŚ
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I see the new King Spoofer is now speaking authoritatively on behalf of 12 week old fetuses.
Give it a rest.
You know because the brain structures involved in feeling anything are not present.
Thatâs a fantastic insight you have. Youâre clearly very well-read on this topic. During the many hundreds of hours youâve spent studying this topic, have you ever found an answer to when does a foetus become a sentient being?
Thatâs a great question, by sentient I assume you mean being able to feel things subjectively, which is the common definition. No earlier than the 24th week in terms of being able to âfeelâ anything. That says nothing about subjective awareness, which develops around the 15th month after birth.
Yes campaigners moving onto âif a child feels no pain it is ok to kill itâ
These are sick sick people.
The consequences that need to be focussed on are the consequences of not having access to safe and legal abortion in Ireland.
And these are very real consequences.
âBabies, babies, babies.â
Honestly, I think the capacity for rationality is what makes us truely human and is our true link to the divine, more than genetics. This view was shared by many Catholic saints, most notably Thomas Aquinas as I have explained above. I think to argue anything else is just speciesism. I think my view that the soul is a rational thing is more spiritual than a view point that gives the soul value on the basis of human DNA over, say, cat DNA. I think thatâs a less spiritual approach and somewhat of an insult to what it really means to be human. We now know, for example that the neanderthals painted the first artworks despite not having human DNA. You keep talking about âbabiesâ this and âbabiesâ that but those neanderthals had more in common with a new-born baby than a 12 week foetus does, despite not sharing DNA. I think thatâs the natural conclusion of a proper meditation on what it means to be human.
You donât have to agree but you should grow up beyond this attitude of everyone who disagrees you is evil or sick.
Yes campaigners moving onto âif a child feels no pain it is ok to kill itâ
These are sick sick people.
Itâs not ridiculous to suggest that morality should be based on the reduction of suffering. Thatâs a core idea behind Buddhism for example, as I understand it. Again you donât have to agree but itâs not a completely preposterous suggestion.
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You can call all that gibberish, I couldnât give a fuck but I think Aquinas was right and he definitely wasnât sick or evil.
I consider my 5 doctors post a proper clamping and want that to be acknowledged.
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Does your boss know youâre posting on company time?
The yes campaigners here (Iâd be a yes voter but not a campaigner myself) are merely correcting the very offensive mistruth which was expressed this morning that they condone children being painfully put to death under the terms of the repeal of the 8th, thereâs really no need for tne hysterics here
With all this talk of âunborn babiesâ and âunborn childrenâ, Iâm puzzled as to why the No side donât refer to actual children as âungrown adultsâ.
Actually the logical follow through of their terminology would be for them to refer to all human beings as âundead corpsesâ or âuncremated ashesâ.
Do you know if youâre coming or going?