So how come the Savita case is relevant but the woman who bled out in a taxi in the UK after an abortion isnât?
Like I said, cynical
Are you saying posters are alive now?
That poor Savita lady died due to medical negligence. Its nauseating to see doctors and medical consultants now use this ladies death as some sort of leverage to remove the 8th amendment.
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You sure do love falsely construing the most moronic, illogical meanings from fairly straightforward sentiments, donât you?
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Like what?
GTFO his point was stupid and absurd and was treated as such.
About 3 whopper clamps of poor @Fartholey in about 5 minutes there
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Such as issues with adoption of children in long term care on foot of the amendment.
Fartholey? Clamps? Did you bang your head and wake up in 2014
Wow. Youâre an actual mentaller.
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Its only stupid and absurd if you donât bother to consider it even for a second.
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This story is so extreme that even I as a Yes voter wonder if itâs real. Young Irish women are spending a lot of time reading stories like this on social media. There are Facebook pages just full of them. Theyâre not really influencing men as much. Personally I donât know how you could ignore the like of this. Here it is:-
"8 years ago I was pregnant with twins. All was going well and my 16 week scan showed two healthy babies. Less than 2 weeks later I had some pains and heavy discharge. I went to the hospital where I was checked out and had a scan. All seemed ok with the babies and I was prescribed antibiotics for a uti. The following morning I felt very sick and started to bleed so I went into the maternity emergency room again. There I was examined and told I was losing the babies. I was told to go get a cup of coffee while they arranged a bed for me!
I was alone, left to wander around the hospital trying to understand what was happening After a while I got a bed on a ward and as I entered the room my waters broke. The midwife gave me a bed pan saying to use that when I went to the toilet as I would pass the babies any minute now. I was put on antibiotics to prevent getting an infection in my womb from my cervix being open. My partner finally got in to the hospital and we both broke down and waited for the inevitable to happen.
The next day the babies were still holding on so I was sent down to the antenatal clinic for a scan. Both babies still had heartbeats though both had no fluid in their sacs. We were told again that they should pass soon that there was no hope for them but we just had to let nature take its course. I remember one doctor said in another country we could give you a pill for this. This went on for 6 more days, every day being sent down for a scan. Every day waiting with all the expectant mothers and big baby bumps. Trying to hide my tears in case I upset another pregnant woman.
Myself and my partner were reading about break through advances in America, where doctors were attempting to âpatchâ up ruptured membranes in the womb. Yet nothing like that was being mentioned or offered to us. In fact bar looking after me nothing was being done to help my babies. I was told there was no point taking my iron and folic acid supplements. Basically there was no hope for my babies as far as medicine in Ireland was concerned yet I had to remain pregnant.
Eventually after 6 days, my baby girls cord prolapsed and slowly she died in my womb. The scan the following morning showed her heart had stopped. Later that evening she started to slip away and I was taken to the labour ward to deliver her. We got to see her and hold her while we waited for her placenta to deliver. Her cord had broken during delivery. As my baby boy still had a heartbeat the doctors couldnât do anything to help the placenta along. After a few hours they sent me back to the wardâŚher placenta still inside me. All antibiotics were stopped now as they could mask septicaemia so again we just had to wait while the midwives checked me regularly for signs of infection.
This went on for 7 days.
7 days of scans. 7 days of a heartbeat. 7 days of internal exams and twice daily blood tests. 7 days of waiting.
By now I could really see the doctors frustration, waiting, knowing I was going to get sick very fast. But there was was nothing they could do until my life was actually "at risk " So after a week of waiting I finally got sick. Very sick. This wasnât negligence on the hospitals behalf, they absolutely knew I was going to get sick. You canât leave a rotting placenta inside a woman.
When you give birth full term to a living baby there is a degree of urgency to deliver the placenta and make sure it has all delivered as it can cause complications. Leaving a placenta for 7 days was going to lead to an infection. The doctors knew this but their hands were tied due to the 8th amendment, because my 19 week old foetus had a heartbeat. He had a heartbeat but no chance of survival where as the chances of me getting sick were almost definite.
On that Sunday evening I was feeling fine, waiting for my supper. I got up to use the toilet and when I came out I started vomiting and shaking uncontrollably. Luckily my partner was there and called for help. Thatâs how fast sepsis hits. Thatâs why thousands die a year from it.
So finally my life was at risk, the doctors could take action. I was brought down to the labour ward and induced and put on multiple iv antibiotics immediately. My kidneys began to shut down. My lungs filled with fluid. I was in so much pain, struggling to breathe while trying to labour my baby who I knew wouldnât survive the labour. We asked what would happen if he was born alive and we were told nothing would happen, that they wouldnât intervene as he was only 20 weeks. So we were thankful that he didnât survive the labour as to watch him slowly die would have been unbearable. After the labour, my condition deteriorated rapidly. We barely got to see our little boy as I was rushed immediately to the high dependency unit where a team of doctors fought to keep me alive. Then once stabilised i was sent to itu where i spent a week. I needed vasopressors to raise my blood pressure, Iv fluids, Iv antibiotics and a blood transfusion. I spent another two weeks in hospital after that.
5 weeks in total, being away from my daughter who was 8 at the time. I loved my babies of course but I loved my living, breathing child at home a thousand times more. It broke my heart to be away from her.
All this for a baby, a foetus that the system would do nothing for once he was out of my womb but my LIFE was worth risking when he was in it.
If I had died it would have been one hundred percent due to the 8th amendment"
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Did you get clamped a lot in 2014?
Thatâs your opinion and youâre entitled to it. Wrong and all as it is
I can contribute no more do this debate that post what I just did above. I need my own little moratorium in the run up to this referendum.
Nowhere near as much as much as you buddy
What kind of issues out interest? I remember John waters saying the government would be stealing babies out of hospital in the dead of night. 
Would you not agree that it was needed even if worded poorly.
I know you are but what am I?
Yes itâs needed but the point being is that we still see day to day that it doesnât mean fuck all. The CFA is under resourced. The social workers spend too much time in court and children are still coming last in so many ways.
An AP
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Does her husband own her image? Her father gave his blessing and it hadnât been used much anyway I thought.
I do agree in general tho that her death is being overly used and at times cynically, but itâs not no worse than burning her image on a poster. Thatâs utter scumbag behaviour.
Her death is very much part of the 8th discussion tho, whether people want to accept that or not.