Tim is a vicar
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What do you mean?
I agree with @GeoffreyBoycott on when abortion should be available, despite me being deeply uncomfortable that.
Therefore I support the removal of the 8th- which was poorly written to begin with.
I just do not wash with shit arguments about people going abroad anyway and people screaming about choice.
Ah, here we have the chap who couldnât get a traineeship. Give me some of your first year Constitutional law analysis there please.
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I did constitutional law in second year if I recall correctly. Can you answer the question there Tim.
Again, that is not what I am saying. I am simply saying that just because a country allows something doesnât mean another democracy has to. I am responding to quite a specific point and argument raised over and over about abortion.
Yep - trying to understand your position. So you propose Repeal and work to introduce and adjust legislation through Dail etc?
If you are coming from a moral position then arguments about the reality of citizens going abroad or choice are unlikely to move you. Moral positions donât tend to get swayed by logic.
What does my professional qualifications have to do with this? Again, I am not arguing about the 8th or 13th, I am simply sticking to an argument about people travelling anyway.
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You called another poster a lay person, what are you Tim?
Thatâs not a very nice comment.
I agree. We shouldnt do something just because other countries do it. People arguing we are the last western country etc make that point. And I agree, it shouldnt be copying for the sake of copying.
however, what nullifies that point is I dont know of any other legislation we have that specifically says something is illegal in Ireland but you are fully entitled and is perfectly legal to go abroad and do it. Hence the point of going to Thailand or getting drugs etc abroad is a redundant point as none of those activities are specifically written into law saying it can be legally done by Irish people, just not in Ireland.
this is making a legal act to go abroad, legitimate in the county that has that law.
Heâs just a bit shirty because he is getting a schooling from a âlay manâ.
Why does it concern you?
Again, I do not give a shit about our constitutional position.
I am talking conceptually.
Because you tried to undermine @Gman by calling him a layman and saying he was googling constitutional law. So do tell us why youâre such an expert compared to him. You seem to have a high regard for yourself, why do we have to drag it out of you?
Had?
Youâve mixed up your tenses there.
And the important question to ask is why we included a provision to let women travel abroad âŚ
That we are the last European country bar Malta not to legislate for abortion demonstrates that Irelandâs current position is very much an extremist one.
Ooooft.
It isnât particularly difficult.
I wasnât talking to him. He addressed me going on about the Constitution.
That is not what I was responded to. I was responding to Chocolate Mice and Fagan saying abortions happen everywhere.
That is what I was arguing. The only deduction I can take with someone talking about the constitution in response is that they want to bog down a conceptual argument in the law. It is quite similar to someone saying that you cannot put forward the opinion that legal guns is a stupid idea in the United States because of the Second Amendment.
If we are starting off a country from scratch, a democratic country should be allowed to set the laws it wants. A repeated argument from people on abortion put forward is that it happens in other places and people go anyway so why not? I consider that a stupid and inconsistent argument on the whole.
Chocolate Mice stated that âNoâ voters ignore the reality of abortion. That is not a good enough reason to legalise it.
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