RDS, you canât beat the buzz of the count.
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Itâs actually a very rational counter-argument to the argument that abortion is reprehensible and shouldnât happen and should be prevented as much as possible. The counter-argument being that it is happening in any event and we need to deal with the imperfect reality of that for our fellow-citizens.
If youâre voting No on the basis that abortion shouldnât happen then the logical follow-through is that you should be looking to repeal the constitutional amendments enshrining the right to travel and information. Otherwise your position is logically untenable. Obviously most No voters know this makes them look like complete fundamentalist headbangers so dodge that question.
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None of them have come out and said theyâd advocate locking a women up for 14 years, or for any time frame, if they carried out the illegal act of abortion here in Ireland either⌠they dont see it as a punishable offence it seems.
@glasagusban, I appreciate the concern, but I didnt take offence to @Tim_Riggins comment. If you want to batter away at him do so, but dont tag me into it.
Justin Barrett certainly did! He also thinks the doctors carrying it out should be given the death penalty.
Really? Any link to it?
Nonsense.
That is a pure invention.
It doesnât ignore the reality of abortion, it just is an opinion that you do not want it here.
https://youtu.be/S4Pk1d0ob1w?t=551
time stamp should be at the relevant point there. 9.10 into it.
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I have several professional qualifications and have practiced in them all, so what?
I simply said I did not want to get bogged into a Constitutional law argument when I wasnât arguing that. If I want to go and discuss the implications of X and Y of an amendment of the Constitution or Supreme Court ruling then I will.
This is strangely difficult for you. As usual the substance of your arguments on here comes down to picking out a couple of words and going off on one. Youâll run off shortly again. It is very odd.
Gas cunts. They donât want the 14 year prison sentence taken off the staute books and yet they go nuts when Leo Varadkar rightly references the threat of it.
Their approach to the criminal justice system can be summed up in four words: âah shure, be grandâ.
Another âIrish solution to an Irish problemâ, which is a euphemism for âutter unwillingness to deal in adult manner with complex problems which will not go awayâ, or to put it another way âutter cowardiceâ.
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You wonât answer the question then.
Ok then. I will engage with you. Youâre wrong. Certain laws here can have extraterritorial effect. So you can be tried for murder man slaughter or money laundering wherever committed. We could do the same for abortion but we donât because we prefer the safety valve of exporting it.
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âNonsenseâ. âPure Inventionâ. Youâve some opinion of yourself as a debater âŚ
If you didnât want it here - why would you be happy for it to happen elsewhere? The end-result is entirely the same.
If you didnât like the end-result for whatever reason, which I can understand, why would you not look to prevent it occurring to Irish citizens anywhere?
Sorry pal, Iâm sure you didnât take offence. I was really just trying to see could poor old Tim to back up his remark. Seems the kind of thing only a complete tosser would say. Also it was odd thing to say given his grasp seems to be well beneath yours.
You seem to think that everyone calls it baby murder.
Are you going to be calling for people who go abroad for an abortion after the 12 week limit we are setting the same?
Or is it fine then because you happen to agree with that limit?
What are you rambling on about here might I ask?
Will all those who are flying home be able to vote? Just asking as we had a change of address and had to present ourselves and a recent utility bill to our Local Garda Station to sign the change of address form
Edit. Seems to have changed from my experiences previously changing my address on the electoral register
It is pure invention because you seem to believe there is some one size fits all anti abortion stance.
I do not support abortion on demand. I believe in a society that provides proper support for children, from both the State and from both of their parents. Because after all, that is how our country will go on.
I do not want to live in a society like the UK where children are aborted because of disabilities.
What other societies decide is up to them.
I believe in hard cases this should be waved for a number of reasons that are well worn at this point.
Other people have their own opinions and that is fine.
Where is the conclusion of the argument that just because another State allows something that we should do it? What countries abortion laws do you support the limit up to? Will that argument now cease from you after this referendum as you get what you wanted?
Stating the case that other countries have abortion and these are the consequences is fine.
Stating that the WHO say it is a medical matter is fine.
Arguing about the ECHR is clearly fine. Given that Ireland is signed up to that and our courts take their guidance, all the more so.
Those are rational arguments.
You all seem to think that people against abortion are all rabid believers in it being murder. It is a natural bias.
You seem to think that all people who talk about abortion talk about it like it is murder.
They donât.