Thatās what Iām thinking though, how far away is serious harm from a serious risk of death?
Up to a doctor to decide surely, without the pressure of legislation that threatens him or her with imprisonment?
A long way. A friend of a friend has spina bifida and a few other related conditions. Sheās a dancer madly enough, takes a lot of meds but has a normal life. If contraception failed and she became pregnant she would currently have to come off all medication -serious harm.
Its still very subjective
What would happen if she had to come off her medication?
Sheād be a cripple.
Yes but if it was your life who would you want making the call? A doctor or lads like Cicero?
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Decent question here by HBV. Iām not 100% on this but didnāt the 12 week thing come from the citizens assembly?
Yes but the 2013 act, wich has been held legal within the parameters of the 8th allows for such a balancing. Mind you that does not run smoothly and should be amended to better care for these āhard casesā
Fair enough, no room for subjectivity there
The legislation canāt go any further unless the 8th amendment is removed. No more change, no more tweaking.
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Yeah. So under the current law, she would be required to be a cripple.
Iām feeling very conflicted on this all of a sudden
The 8th amendment is the fucking problemā¦ If the Catholic nuts didnāt put it in it would be a whole lot easier, but nothing can change until itās removed.
I think it came through the citizens assembly and then the DĆ”il committee. I think most commentators were genuinely surprised that the DĆ”il committee made an evidence based recommendation rather than taking the politically easier route of only recommending legislation for āhard casesā. Once again, as an aside, there was no chance that the usual suspects in Iona etc would have done anything but oppose any proposals despite the desperate lies they are trailing this week lamenting that less āextremeā legislation be proposed.
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Can she carry a pregnancy at all?
Very possibly. But they would have been ignored and such a bill would have romped home. Probably still will win but the undecideds might be uneasy with the unrestricted option.
Possibly the best work ever done by a DƔil committee. They reasoned it out based on evidence. A number of them changed their minds based on the evidence they heard.
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It seems that this argument of āwhy didnāt they target the hard casesā really rose itās head this week in particular. What makes it worse is the fucking idiots like healy eames or Toibin bringing it up now would still be against it anyway so a futile and pointless argument just to try get a no vote any way at all
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Donāt know the ins and outs more than that to be honest.