Abortion Referendum Thread

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Should a man be able to decide to abscond from financial obligations to their child?

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What’s your point?

Many men walk away from partners with both unborn or born children.

Legally the father of a born child should support that child regardless of his relationship with the mother IMO.

How can a father have serious financial obligations of note towards an unborn child?

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Are we talking immaculate conception territory here?

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So you don’t believe in a man having a choice then?

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In the case of Rape, no.

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Hands up who’ve had an ‘unwanted pregnancy’ here.

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Me.

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Sorry but when you use broad statements like “a woman should have a right to whether she does or does not want something growing within her body”, then that implies you are broadly pro abortion.

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No need to apologise

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Cheers bro

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I don’t believe so pal - a child is product of joint endeavour and all that.

Carrying a foetus is not a joint endeavour however and a man should have no right to tell a woman who is carrying one what to do with her body, irrespective of whether he was involved in the conception of the foetus.

So your point is irrelevant.

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Generally speaking, i would guess the % of women going to the UK for an abortion without consent from the father is low. I would have guessed that most women who take that kind of action do so because support from the father is low or non existent.

Can anyone provide figures to state otherwise?

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It is not irrelevant. You cannot have the latter without the former. The argument in favour of “choice” is that it is 9 months of a woman’s life taken away from her, including her body. Yet a man doesn’t have a choice on having to provide for 18 years of a child if the mother wants to keep said child.

It is a double standard.

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In the case of an unplanned pregnancy where a father walks away is it fair that the woman must carry a child for 9 months if she also does not want a child?

Your argument here is laughable.

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The burden of pregnancy is an unequal one whereas raising a child, in theory at least, should not be.

If at any future stage, biological facts unexpectedly change and men start carrying foetuses, then they can start arguing that they should have as much of a say in what happens during a pregnancy as a woman.

Until that happens, no.

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Sorry but that is not what you are saying. You said already that a man should provide for the child.

That is your position. Therefore you do not believe in a man having a choice.

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He did have a choice

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You can’t draw lines here.

If a woman wants an abortion & a father doesn’t then things are far more complicated. Essentially someone has a right to choose though.

It’s the fact that when the above isn’t an issue & when a woman must carry the burden alone without choice its what’s being argued.

Also, in the case of a serious abnormality & risk to the woman is medically an issue in pregnancy that the choice is needed.

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When men and women engage in sexual relations both parties recognise the potential for creating life.

Your position is that women have reproductive “rights”, but men have reproductive “responsibilities”. One has the choice over 38-40 weeks of their life, the other no choice over 936 of theirs. If you believe that a fetus is only a woman’s and part of her body, fine, then paternal obligations be abrogated as well.

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Strange there’s a good few lads in favour of murdering babies here