it is a fact, it will happen. there will be a huge drop in the number of DS babies born in oireland if this is brought in. you can bury your head in the sand but this is what happens in countries with abortion and its fascinating to see oirish liberals claim their country will somehow be totally different.
I didnt bring DS babies into this btw but i had to jump in when it was being rubbished as insensitive. its actually insensitive to attempt to sidestep the issue.
If it is âa factâ, why is it not happening now when the same suicidal exemptions apply?
Children with Down Syndrome should not be brought into this argument with the current 12 weeks legislation that is being proposed - if the unborn child is going to have DS then you are not able to find that out until close to 14/15 weeks.
At the start of this debate I was totally against abortion in our State due to being the parent of a child with Down Syndrome - purely because I know that if we had found out or had known about the child with DS we were about to have and then lived in a country that allowed abortion and those abortion laws said you can freely abort a child up to say 24 weeks, I know that with the position we were in (two boys who had their own health issues and a marriage under pressure) then I would have been in a weakened position and I would have probably have argued for an abortion. And I say that with the heaviest of hearts as I thank God that back then I lived in a country that donât give invasive scans/checks on pregnancies and doesnât have abortion on demand up to 24 weeks and I am now the proudest of proud fathers of a daughter who is in the full of her health and who also is a child with Down Syndrome.
The argument is there though that the power as to if itâs 12 weeks or 20 weeks or 24 weeks or whatever is with our legislators but do you know what, we all have a vote and itâs us who vote them in so if democracy votes in a government who wants more liberal laws then thatâs the will of the people. Itâs also the will of the people if the 8th Amendment will be repealed or not. So weâll seeâŚ
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has your view softened somewhat since your previous post on the thread or are you still totally against?
Why do you mock children with DS if you care about them so much? Immature idiots like you are part of the reason people contemplate abortions when they discover the foetus has DS.
Spare us your hypocrisy.
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I can certainly see the arguments for repealing our current situation. I donât like the way we export our abortion to other jurisdictions - that isnât right. And when it comes to rape, if it isnât reported straight away for whatever reason then it should be unrestrictive abortion as it canât be proved or brought to trial for months/years afterwards.
But in normal circumstances I believe that abortion should always be the last resort and not a contraception option. I heard Minister Harris looking to making the morning after pill more assessable and cheaper, this is a good measure. Have it easily assessable and free so if you have made a mistake to have unprotected sex then you can easily deal with it if you choose to do so.
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well I find that post a lot more thoughtful than your original one, so kudos for that. I can understand the predicament and personal situation you would be in is vastly different to most other people when it comes to issues like this.
Iâd agree with your point though. And I also agree abortion should be a last resort. No one can say definitively, but Iâd imagine in the vast majority of cases it is actually the last resort. Its not a form of contraception and I doubt any woman who has had an abortion would call it the same after having gone through it. It should never be treated as such, but Iâd imagine any woman who may see it as that would surely just use a morning after pill anyway?
The 8th amendment as it currently stands is not suited to pregnant women and puts them in danger and that goes for women who want to have a baby. There is no disputing that. The knock on effect of repealing the 8th is the addition of abortion to legislation which is what will turn people off it. But the 8th should be repealed. And as you say, exporting the problem to other jurisdictions is not an adequate solution.
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I donât and have never. You previously labelled this allegation to me and had to apologise. Youâre a cretin.
I know that other countries are more mature than Ireland, or way further down the road with their abortion laws, as in they allow abortion and we do not but abortion would be used as a form of contraception. Only anecdotal but Ms. Locke has a friend who was on a Erasmus in Spain back in the day and was sharing with a young woman from Germany. The German student was 22 and had already had 3 abortions, using the service as a form of contraception. Youâd hate to see that happen. But then itâs a womanâs choice, or so weâre toldâŚ
You mocked them you disgusting gobshite, nobody apologized, now spare us all the crocodile tears and the bullshit of âthat wasnât meâ, it WAS you.
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No Kev, I have eyes. Its things like having a son of an indian immigrant homosexual Taoiseach albeit unelected, UCD installing gender neutral toilets, knowing lesbian couples who have used IVF treatment to start a family, growth in non denominational schools, fall off in mass attendances. Any of the above would have been unpalatable for many Irish people not so long ago. Social media has definitely played a massive part. Mark Zuckerburg and co planted the seeds of what was cool and what attitudes should prevail and it has shaped peoples view of the world.
The key point is that we are removing something that puts women in dangerâŚthe extremists want to focus solely on abortion which is a by-product of the 8th.
Do our womenâs lives mean nothing?
I did not.
I have spoken before about your neurotic behaviour, you are alleging all sorts of bizarre and unfounded things against me. It shows what a twisted mind you have,
Do the lives of the unborn mean nothing? The unborn who donât have a vote in this referendum, they are the most vulnerable in this whole debacle.
You mocked people with Down syndrome in your previous guise, donât think everybody doesnât know it
Youâre disgusting to do that, a real lowlife
I did not.
But you did praise a convicted paedophile as a lovely person.
I would hate to think that 1 in 5 pregnancies in Ireland will end in abortion much like the UK. There is an urgent need for the lines to be unblurred when it comes to protecting the life of a woman during pregnancy or a woman who becomes pregnant after being subjected to rape. It will end up a lifestyle choice for many though. Mass abdication of accountability and responsibility for ones actions. Dumbing down life for people in a race to the bottom.
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And thatâs why people should not to repeal.
You dont know that⌠do you not trust Irish women to do the right thing?
Yes you did, are you trying to convince us that this is your first account 
Which convicted paedophile is that? Thatâs certainly news to me