Abortion - Yay or Nay? Labane and Sid talk American politics, Codegreen ponders on the cost

The water protests had a strong working class element in their ranks. If people care about something they will get involved and make it their issue.

Who funds any future abortion is completely irrelevant to the debate.

Untrue.

I think from week 20 on a fetus can survive on itā€™s ownā€¦ Before that can you call it a ā€˜personā€™ ā€˜babyā€™ ā€˜childā€™ or ā€˜humanā€™ ā€¦ Most experts would say no.

Iā€™ve added plenty here in the pastā€¦ Iā€™m in favour of up to week 14 but longer in emergency cases. Ideally there would be no abortion mate but the reality is that itā€™s happening and we canā€™t ignore it.

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What week do we pull a plug on a person in a coma? Sure they have no brain function the machine is keeping them alive. Are they human? What do experts say on that. Iā€™m just curious.

Or an old man with a pace maker who has no natural heartbeat. These are arguments for the pro choice. Should we kill the guy with no natural heart beat?

Lots of families make the heartbreaking decision to take their loved ones off life support. Are they murderers?

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Donā€™t give me experts. Theres right and wrong.

Well theyā€™re not affecting the health of another person directly so thatā€™s a completely irrelevant argument.

Is it wrong to take someone off life support?

This @anon26343222 ladā€¦

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No mate, thereā€™s legal and illegalā€¦ Thatā€™s all.

Youā€™ll address me as sir or master. Lad is what I lob into your birds ass.

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Again, third level students and middle class people generally actively participate in campaigns on social issues in proportionately greater numbers than working class people.

That was certainly the case in the marriage referendum and Iā€™m pretty sure it was the case in the divorce referendums too. But homosexuality is not a third level or middle class thing. It cuts evenly across all classes, which meant the issue of same sex marriage was equally relevant to people in all classes, as was divorce.

The legalisation of abortion is actually most relevant to those of a lower socio-economic status. Women of lower socio-economic status are currently affected more by the present legal situation than women of higher socio-economic status, because i) they are less likely to be able to afford to travel to have an abortion and ii) they are less likely to be able to give a child a good upbringing if they do have a baby.

You wouldnā€™t lob spuds to a duck

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Itā€™s completely irrelevant. The debate is about the current constitutional position, which says precisely nothing about the funding of abortion.

A large section of the yes voters do not see this with any ifs or buts itā€™s all or nothing from week 2 to third trimester no limits,are you willing to go for that? In an ideal world cases of rape or the womans life is in danger would of course be a given but this is a very tough choice which is why itā€™s so divisive.

You really and truly are an awful fool.

Thatā€™s an complete fiction, youā€™re making things up, thereā€™s not a shred of evidence to support that.

The truth hurt?