The fall out will be hilarious and very messy in Tip. There must be some funny posts from over there that someone can copy and paste here for those that don’t have premierview log ins.
Very little mention to why Corbett was late coming onto the pitch for 2nd half?? That was nuts, did he refuse to go back out or something? One thing is for sure, Corbett will never recover from this as a hurler.
Is there better young hurlers in this country then Tony Kelly and Colm Galvin I wonder? Declan Hannon? Fuck off.
[quote=“The Dunph, post: 703287”]The fall out will be hilarious and very messy in Tip. There must be some funny posts from over there that someone can copy and paste here for those that don’t have premierview log ins.
Very little mention to why Corbett was late coming onto the pitch for 2nd half?? That was nuts, did he refuse to go back out or something? One thing is for sure, Corbett will never recover from this as a hurler.[/quote]
Larry will reveal all in his Indo column tomorrow.
Erra, Lehane is the next Ring.
Apparently he had a row with management at half-time, and had to be separated to cool down in a different room.
He had a row with Ryan at HT and was apparently in a different room to the rest when they were coming back out. Also talk of a fight on the trip home
Tipp will always be box-office in fairness.
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Kelly is class,Hannon is carrying a knock all year so wouldnt be so quick to write him off,he is a gifted hurler.
Similar fall out to the 09 Semi-Final I’d imagine, post up a few links there.
They’ll surely add AI U-21 medals to go with their minor ones…
I wonder how much truth there is in this ‘row at half-time’ talk? You nearly always hear some story like that after a defeat of this magnitude. I suppose there was no love lost between Corbett and the management in any case.
Bit off topic but whens the draw for next years championship I know its not too far off is it October?
Having just logged on this morning to see the result - holy fucking shit. This will surely take years for Tipp to recover from. Can someone please post some of the shit from Premview? It must be like Berlin in May 1945 over there.
Can’t wait to watch this tonight.
He wil be out of action for some time - Extensor digitorum I believe, excuse the spelling any physicians out there.
Tipping point for Ryan
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So many words to describe what can only be referred to as ‘it’. Embarrassing, inept, incredulous, insane — Tipperary’s shambolic performance was a continuation of what has been a major regression under Declan Ryan.[/font]
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Of course the man has put his heart and soul into the job, there’s no questioning that, but the tactical acumen to succeed against the best evidently is not there. The players have to take their share of the blame; as much as they do in success, so too they must accept their share in ruin.[/font]
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There is plenty to go around because make no mistake, this 4-24 to 1-15 defeat is ruinous. What Liam built in search of Liam is now but a memory. Sheedy is instead landing titles with Portroe now, a parish that never touched its like before until they beat Toomevara in the north Tipp final.[/font]
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Look at the case for the prosecution. Your best forward is Lar Corbett and he becomes a sideshow, part of a merry-go-round featuring Tommy Walsh, Pa Bourke and Jackie Tyrrell. All well and good if the circus ends with a decent show but these guys stood stranded on the carousel. Getting dizzy, going nowhere.[/font]
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Corbett set up a point for Shane McGrath in the fifth minute, came out late for the second half because he was apparently changing his shirt, got a yellow card on 42 minutes, and set up John O’Neill’s missed goal chance on 64. In between that, he ran a marathon worthy of New York, London, Chicago, Dublin or, most precisely, worthy of Flora. What was the point of it all?[/font]
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Any suggestion of Larkin being dropped is nuts, thought he was a catalyst for much of the brilliance, took on a Sheflin role.
Shed ins catch in 2nd half was magic. Play of the week stuff.
Who got MOTM? Reid surely?
The whole Lar / Tommy / Pa / Tyrell thing sounds utterly bizarre. Lar’s comments afterwards about having a great conversation for 70 minutes sounds like a completely unhinged mental person. Was this Declan Ryan’s tactic, or did Lar think this up all on his lonesome? Cody must have been absolutely cacking himself watching that.
Jesus Kev, some of your wumming on AFR is very funny, your indignation is a sight to behold :lol:
RTE gave it to Fogarty.