AI SHC Semi-Final Killkenny v Tipperary

Typically ball played from the hand is more accurate then ground hurling or overhead hurling. That is the point.

Agree with that, but thats not to say that an overhead pull or ground stroke cannot be accurate/aimed at a certain area. Certainly it would not be as accurate as a lad hitting a pass uncontested but certainly it would be much quicker. Its quick ball like that that has the ability to create goal scorer chances easier than a possession game as it gives backs less time to get organised.

Just on the overhead or first time pulling, Galways goal in the first couple of minutes was made from a delightfully hit overhead strike by the half forward into the full forward line. It is still there, and it does still work. It just doesnt need to be used the whole time.

I’d also disagree to an extent on development squads not catering for smaller more skillful players. I know some counties still prioritise gym work over skills, but you will still find the counties at that age who concentrate on skills, whilst encouraging core development, will be better. There is a balance, and those that find the right one are more successful. I have seen some development squads with big bulky players who have been hitting the gym all winter, and they are aerobically unfit and can barely move and have damn all skills.

Absolutely, but maybe not used often enough. Guarantee you that there is plenty of lads playing and will play intercounty at a high level who are incapable of carrying out this skill.

That’s complete and utter horseshit.

The overhead pull is making a comeback at underage level though, as a response to the whole challenge of competing aerially.

Two errors here.

  1. You have grossly misunderestimated the number of views.
  2. I added an annotation at the end of the video mentioning TFK earlier this morning.

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FFS. Fellas were oohing and aahing about Lar Corbett executing a reverse hand pass and Henry sending a hand pass that was first 20 yards then thirty yards but was actually 15 yards at most. That’s because the panoply of hurling skills has really been reduced to four. Hand passing, catching, blocking and striking out of the hand. that’s mostly it. The instinctive skills are now largely gone.

In theory yes. How much ball is lost and attacking opportunity is lost by the effort to get the ball in hand. Think last Sunday how much ball was spilled when in the hand or in the act of being taken into hand. Did David Herity do the right thing trying to get the ball in hand to deliver an accurate ball or would he have been better off (if he had the skill) to draw on the ball on the half volley and land it seventy yards down the field.

They should ban cones as well.

You must have a bizarre definition of the term ‘skill’.

I don’t think I do. Hurling will have to have a fundamental rethink soon. Partially due to the dominance of Kilkenny but more fundamentally due to the decline of the game as a spectacle.

You’re a gentleman CLD. I’ve only had phone access for a couple of days so only reading PMs this evening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrlidRifA9Q

Mullockers.

I’m not sure Fagan that its the decline of the game as a spectacle. When you look at a game like Sunday and the amount of column inches and talk its generated, when you see the speed the game is being played at, it is a spectacle to most people. Its fast, its hard, its exciting, its more tribal than it used to be, there are much higher expectations. And that may be part of the problem.

I completely agree with everything you’re saying. The overhead double seems to have completely disappeared from the game. Ground hurling died years ago. When I was growing up learning hurling in a very successful underage team in the 80’s, we were taught that striking the ball on the ground was a fundamental part of the game. Especially for smaller players like myself playing as a half back of forward, pulling on the ball was a quick, easy way to move it up the wing, usually by passing the ape of a lad marking you.

I can’t see the physicality of the game going away, it may diminish somewhat when this Kilkenny team finally fuck off and leave us alone. Its not in the GAA’s interests to have the physicality go away. But I do think that they way to beat teams like Kilkenny is moving the ball low and fast. Galway ran at them a lot in the Leinster final and hopefully they’ll do this again.

Someone throw up John Fenton’s pull from the 80’s, there’s accurate ground hurling!

Thats a grand clean slatted unit.

Quite the opposite

The interest in Sundays game was freakish principally due to Tipps ineptness. How many column inches did Galway Cork or Tipp Waterford generate. And the bottom line is that Croke Park will struggle sell out for the final.

How is it not in the GAAs interest to cut own on physicality?

A better example than Fentons goal would beJBMs overhead pull from Fentons through ball in the 83 semi

Very poor touch.

For the sake of the forum, the last two pages of this thread should be deleted. Fagan has managed to drag the quality of discussion down to AFR levels.