The very notion of an elite squad is something kids aspire to , it’s a badge of honour , and the camaraderie it brings also helps to tear down inter club and club v county wrangles
Please answer the question about how you misrepresented my position.
Great the way oldfolks homes have broadband nowadays.
Impossible to know if the personnel/system is correct if both are heavily undercut by a lack of investment. And lets be honest, the development squads were forced on the executive by Croker post-strikes so the fuckers are doing their best to sabotage the system by funding it with the bare minimum while pouring everything else into a worthless stadium/homage to Frank Murphy’s legacy.
Kev, would you say doing weights is largely worthless for your average hurler, inter-county or otherwise.
Stage 3 rattled.
It’s a fairly mild advance in organisation when it comes down to it. Gas how that’s still enough to spook some people though.
The key to them working is coaching education, for which Paudie Butler is owed a huge debt. The difference between Moloney and O’Connor getting that squad of players when they got them, and the same squad of players languishing under two of the 95 luminaries for a few years is massive. And again they offer a development structure not just to the players, but to young coaches who’re actually enthusiastic about getting better as well.
Fagan dealing with the usual skives here, swatting them with the minimum of fuss. Outstanding work 
Absolutely not, very very worthwhile. The main reason hurling is faster is due to weights. Fellas might not like to believe that, but strength is the base for everything, speed, power. If you are conditioned better then your brain works better. Hurlers at high levels and even not so high will be doing some forms of Olympic lifting. These exercises challenge your whole CNS (Central Nervous System). When the CNS is awoken and trained your speed and ability improves. Genetics define by how much, but you will be better. You see everywhere in field sports how power is the key to athleticism but how do you reach top power? Power (in simple terms) is the combination of speed and strength, without either being trained power is diluted. KK are a very powerful team. Guys are not just pumping weights though Turenne, that’s the mistaken belief. They would lift heavy weights maybe in Nov, Dec & Jan or something along those lines but there would also be alot of Plyometrics, sprinting (sprinting can be considered strength and power work), jump training, isometric training (wholly undervalued in GAA community IMO) and other things used in a gym program. It’s a process to get them around March-April time to 85-90% peak, maintain that for the year with bursts towards august to reach 100%. GAA preparation is not that far away from boxing at IC level due to te low level of games actually played.
Tactics have changed hurling much more than conditioning. Clare made conditioning a tactic, Cork made it the norm, KK added more gains to it. to blame fitness improvements on the standard of hurling (which is way better than it used to be toa watch anyway) is ridiculous. It’s just about cycles. I really believ there is a fast moving game with more ground and over head hurling out there to neat the present game. It will obviously ne a bit more refined that what fagan remembers, but someone will come up with it, it’s only a matter of time. Speed and skill can still win a hurling game, I’m convinced of that. It’s just people tend to ignore KK’s speed and skill because of their physicality. Look at their team, at there best their main assets still are heavily hurling skill and speed based.
Hickey - skill, reading, speed
JJ - skill, strength, reading
Tommy - skill, speed, flexibility
Rice - speed, strength, vision
Fennelly - same as Rice
Sheflin - skill, awareness, accuracy
Fogarty - speed, intelligence, awareness
Larkin - speed, intelligence
I could go on. None of these talents would have improved without strength and conditioning. But they had to exist first. Intelligent use of sports science and the gifts they were born with and hard work has KK where they are now, not any one component.
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Oh do please…
Fuck off ditzy
Sun getting to you Kev?
Closing in on 5 figures
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Absolutely not, very very worthwhile. The main reason hurling is faster is due to weights. Fellas might not like to believe that, but strength is the base for everything, speed, power. If you are conditioned better then your brain works better. Hurlers at high levels and even not so high will be doing some forms of Olympic lifting. These exercises challenge your whole CNS (Central Nervous System). When the CNS is awoken and trained your speed and ability improves. Genetics define by how much, but you will be better. You see everywhere in field sports how power is the key to athleticism but how do you reach top power? Power (in simple terms) is the combination of speed and strength, without either being trained power is diluted. KK are a very powerful team. Guys are not just pumping weights though Turenne, that’s the mistaken belief. They would lift heavy weights maybe in Nov, Dec & Jan or something along those lines but there would also be alot of Plyometrics, sprinting (sprinting can be considered strength and power work), jump training, isometric training (wholly undervalued in GAA community IMO) and other things used in a gym program. It’s a process to get them around March-April time to 85-90% peak, maintain that for the year with bursts towards august to reach 100%. GAA preparation is not that far away from boxing at IC level due to te low level of games actually played.
Tactics have changed hurling much more than conditioning. Clare made conditioning a tactic, Cork made it the norm, KK added more gains to it. to blame fitness improvements on the standard of hurling (which is way better than it used to be toa watch anyway) is ridiculous. It’s just about cycles. I really believ there is a fast moving game with more ground and over head hurling out there to neat the present game. It will obviously ne a bit more refined that what fagan remembers, but someone will come up with it, it’s only a matter of time. Speed and skill can still win a hurling game, I’m convinced of that. It’s just people tend to ignore KK’s speed and skill because of their physicality. Look at their team, at there best their main assets still are heavily hurling skill and speed based.
Hickey - skill, reading, speed
JJ - skill, strength, reading
Tommy - skill, speed, flexibility
Rice - speed, strength, vision
Fennelly - same as Rice
Sheflin - skill, awareness, accuracy
Fogarty - speed, intelligence, awareness
Larkin - speed, intelligence
I could go on. None of these talents would have improved without strength and conditioning. But they had to exist first. Intelligent use of sports science and the gifts they were born with and hard work has KK where they are now, not any one component.
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this is utterly bizarre
fagan you have spent the last four or five pages showing that you have zero idea of what actually goes on in a correctly run development system.
the first under 14 development squad in clare was the group of players that won the under 21 in 2009
since then we have had minor teams that have competed strongly in every single game they have played winning a large proportion of them. in those wins there has been no reliance on big players and a complete reliance on skill and good striking from players with the correct strength and conditioning
we have spent most of my lifetime previously winning the odd game here and there in between hidings
the clare minor team this year was not expected to do anyhting at all. it had four big players on the team full back centre back one midfielder and one forward 6ft or over. the rest of them were all smaller yet because of the skills and techniques allied to their core strength they played beautiful hurling which brought them to within a score or two of the all ireland final. In actual fact they were smaller than every team they played this year
on our under 21 team that won the munster final we depend entirely on hurling skills and work rate particularly up front where four of the six forwards were small and the only two taller players were tony kelly and aaron cunningham neither of whom are strongly built.
we got promoted to division one this season at senior level which is progress and were competitive in our championship matchs. if we had received the soft draw cork got no doubt we would have made an all ireland semi final as well. considering our state of development we are as well off without that having happened in some ways
four of our 2011 minor team were physically able to play in the game v limerick because they were prepared mentally and physically for it during their time at minor and mostly because the development systemt they came through gave them the skills to cope
once again i have to say you have zero understanding of what you are talking about.
incidentally the all ireland gold series on tg4 nailed all this sh1te about the good old days in my view.
development squads? :lol:
there are about 6 counties that play it- surely any mong could organise things to win an all ireland every few years
Fagan is taking the piss here yeah? Surely.
LOI players are fitter than GGA players yet LOI fans dont go on with the same hyperbole that gga fans do-
If such a group existed they might.
Hurling skills have to be developed mate. Any twat with a silly haircut can kick a ball and throw themselves to the ground.
well they have been playing stick hurling in Ireland for a few hundred years and it is still only popular in the few areas where the landlords supported it so there is fundamental flaws in the “sport”