[quote=“glasagusban, post: 839158, member: 1533”]Cork have Paudie Sull to come back in, not hearing much suggestion that they have much else. Limerick have Downes, Dowling and a few others that were left on the bench most of the year, a couple more knocking around the club scene to come onto the panel, a younger panel overall, and I would say 3 minors that look like they will be ready for the panel/team in two years.
Sure we’ll see what way both teams go.[/quote]
So you think ye have 3 Un-named Minors, but as you have heard nothing from Cork you are trying to indicate Linerick have more coming thru? Is that what you are saying?
On sheet numbers Cork will always have more. Individual talents ye may well produce, but as proved this year “average” Cork teams seem to be as good and better than the best others have.
You must remember what a shambles our minor/21 has been, it’s hard for guys to stand out and get noticed. The hurlers are absolutely there, just like they were 2-3 years ago except they were not blooded or looked after. Cork need about 6-7 players for the panel to lose Naughton and Cussen and a few. A season of games and another pre-season and you can be sure Joyce, Kearney, McLoughlin, Lehane, Coughlan, Moylan will all the the better for it.
Agree. We also need a bit more sophistication in our forward play. I think if we’re getting the best out of Downes, Dowling, Mulcahy and Hannon we should have an attack that will trouble anyone. Everything that could go wrong against Clare did, which was a shame and compounded the nerves that looked to be there. Sheedy would be the man, hopefully with at least a few limerick selectors and some continuity from last year. We haven’t even selected candidates for interview yet though it seems…
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 839350, member: 273”]So you think ye have 3 Un-named Minors, but as you have heard nothing from Cork you are trying to indicate Linerick have more coming thru? Is that what you are saying?
On sheet numbers Cork will always have more. Individual talents ye may well produce, but as proved this year “average” Cork teams seem to be as good and better than the best others have.
You must remember what a shambles our minor/21 has been, it’s hard for guys to stand out and get noticed. The hurlers are absolutely there, just like they were 2-3 years ago except they were not blooded or looked after. Cork need about 6-7 players for the panel to lose Naughton and Cussen and a few. A season of games and another pre-season and you can be sure Joyce, Kearney, McLoughlin, Lehane, Coughlan, Moylan will all the the better for it.[/quote]
Agreed @caoimhaoin
Ye will never be too far away, but the bench is light. William Egan was a huge disappointment this year, its like he has regressed under JBM. I saw huge potential over the past few years but he just never got going this year.
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 839350, member: 273”]So you think ye have 3 Un-named Minors, but as you have heard nothing from Cork you are trying to indicate Linerick have more coming thru? Is that what you are saying?
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Cork will always have a big pick but after Lehane, Aidan Walsh looked to be the next best hurler coming through. None of the Cork subs look like they’re going to demand a place next year. I haven’t seen or heard of anything about any players coming through in cork, like I would have heard about players in tipp, or a good handful of players in Clare. Maybe they’re there alright just being held back on poor teams. Limerick have 3 to 5 20 year olds that were subs this year that look ready to start next year and some would say should have started last year. Another few the same age with potential for a year or two down the line, and I reckon at 3 current minors will be there in two years.
Maybe cork will surprise us and a few more mushrooms will sprout up. But you seem to be basing your opinion on “cork are cork” type analysis. Moreover you seem to be asserting that cork will have more to come through than limerick. Since you know fuck all about the hurling scene in cork and even less about limerick I’d love to know what you’re basing that in beyond your own self importance.
Please refer back to the All Ireland U21 treble winning team & take off the green tinted glasses. Minors & U21’s looking the part in that grade means fuck all in Senior Hurling. Good Minor & U21 teams rarely produce more than 3 or 4 quality players to break straight into Senior Intercounty teams. Anything above those numbers like the current Clare squads is def not the norm.
Beating Tipp & Cork at home was nothing that unusual. The sight of those jersey’s was enough to lift that teams performance by 25% plus.
His failings were badly highlighted against Clare in Croke Park when it counted most. By all means winning Munster is to be applauded but the way they went down in the Semi Final was sickening.
Clare are obviously there for a few years to come but they cant fit many more small pacy forwards in there, i still think theyd stuggle against kilkenny who would just sit deep and dominate the clare half forward line and midfield in the air. If tipp cant replace kelly and corbett theyre fucked, dublin are there but unless theyre playing our revolving door backline they wont score enough. Limericks forwards arent good enough, neither are corks, galway on the other hand are an enigma wrapped in a puzzle, minus a spine, literally and figuratively.
Ye will never be too far away, but the bench is light. William Egan was a huge disappointment this year, its like he has regressed under JBM. I saw huge potential over the past few years but he just never got going this year.[/quote]
I’m sure they have tried to get it out of hin, but he has not moved his skills on from underage. I couldn’t believe his swing Saturday night. He was arguably more suit to the gam 2-3 years ago and that’s no good now and that’s why he was pushed/played. He is not tidy enough for the hurling we’ll have in next 2-3 years.
It wouldn’t surprise me in the least to see KK come out with an even more agressive but more modern version of what they had 2-3 years ago. They will always have the skills and if they get a few lads to slim down and add a few more “wristy hurlers” I wouldn’t be one bit surprised to see them win one of next two and Cork win the other. Dublin might challenge next year but I wonder how much more they have in them, they are on the go a while and this year may have been the year. They might still have one though. I don’t expect Clare to win next year, but I would expect them to win another one in 2/3/4 years. If Waterford bring in the right man and clear out all those old hurlers who seem to have a big say in Waterford hurling(Mullane, McGrath etc)they have bags if talent. They need an absolute dictator to be given 3 years to clean out the deadwood and get a hold of the young talent and build them into focused challengers like Clare.
Tipp are in trouble. It can never be forgotten the influence Kelly and lar had on the 09/10/11 version of Tipp. The young talent has not stood up like those lads at all, especially in the forwards.
@carryharry, I cautiously agree. You’re especially right on minors, but I’ve become convinced by three of them. The others I’m talking about are already on the panel and arguably should have been on the team. Different times to the days of our three 21s teams though, different culture pervading I think/hope.
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 839375, member: 273”]
Tipp are in trouble. It can never be forgotten the influence Kelly and lar had on the 09/10/11 version of Tipp. The young talent has not stood up like those lads at all, especially in the forwards.
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I actually think going down to KK the way we did this year may be a blessing for O’Shea. It means he can now clear the decks & try to put his own stamp on things. IF, he returns some of the elder panelist with this ‘‘i owe them a chance to put things right shit’’ then i will lose all respect for him. He needs to be ruthless and start afresh with young lads from outside the BIG click who want it more than those before them. We do have talented young lads in the County who could prosper in the current Hurling world.
As regards KK, i do agree that they won’t go quietly as some might believe. There is way too much talent for that to happen.
[quote=“glasagusban, post: 839362, member: 1533”]Cork will always have a big pick but after Lehane, Aidan Walsh looked to be the next best hurler coming through. None of the Cork subs look like they’re going to demand a place next year. I haven’t seen or heard of anything about any players coming through in cork, like I would have heard about players in tipp, or a good handful of players in Clare. Maybe they’re there alright just being held back on poor teams. Limerick have 3 to 5 20 year olds that were subs this year that look ready to start next year and some would say should have started last year. Another few the same age with potential for a year or two down the line, and I reckon at 3 current minors will be there in two years.
Maybe cork will surprise us and a few more mushrooms will sprout up. But you seem to be basing your opinion on “cork are cork” type analysis. Moreover you seem to be asserting that cork will have more to come through than limerick. Since you know fuck all about the hurling scene in cork and even less about limerick I’d love to know what you’re basing that in beyond your own self importance.[/quote]
I’m basing it on 120 years of GAA and the fact Cork has a bigger pick. I’m basing it on UCC and CIT having the personnel and skills to improve any hurler that comes into them. I’m basing it on the talent I saw around the place2-4 years ago (some un-utilized) when I had a family member on the Cork Minors for 3 years. I’m only gone 3 summers fella, I’m not someone like Fitzy out here 10-12 years.
If Limerick had 5 19/20 year olds good enough this year Allen would have played them.
The likes of Mulcahy will win you nothing, you may not want to believe that, but mark my words as long as him and McNamara are they Linerick are not AI contenders
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 839385, member: 273”]I’m basing it on 120 years of GAA and the fact Cork has a bigger pick. I’m basing it on UCC and CIT having the personnel and skills to improve any hurler that comes into them. I’m basing it on the talent I saw around the place2-4 years ago (some un-utilized) when I had a family member on the Cork Minors for 3 years. I’m only gone 3 summers fella, I’m not someone like Fitzy out here 10-12 years.
If Limerick had 5 19/20 year olds good enough this year Allen would have played them.
The likes of Mulcahy will win you nothing, you may not want to believe that, but mark my words as long as him and McNamara are they Linerick are not AI contenders[/quote]
The first part of that translates to “cork are cork”.
You can miss a lot in 3 summers. I’ll take your word that you may have seen players easy to come through, but you can have no idea what’s in limerick and no basis to dismiss players you haven’t seen. You’re arguing with no basis.
CIT and UCC? We have LIT, UL and now Mary I you amadán, where’s the better record in recent years??!
As for Allen this year, we pinned it all on a gameplan based on workrate. We got where we got.
He totally underestimated Clare imo, this surely seeped into the players minds also. The whole of Limerick had got carried away, lads on here were predicting an easy win lest we forget. Cork in 2006 sum Allen up pretty well as a manager.