You can hardly say kk are falling apart? They drew with Galway and lost by limerick by a point. Waterford needed extra time to beat them in 17. They are in the middle of a massive rebuilding job yet still competitive.
In the last two championship campaigns, Kilkenny have lost to Waterford for the first time since 1959, by 7 points, lost to Wexford for the first time since 2004, lost to Limerick for the first time since 1973 and were beaten twice by Galway last year by 8 points and 7 points. Immediately prior to that, there was a 9 point defeat to Tipperary in the 2016 All Ireland Final where the Tipperary full forward line scored 2-15 from play between them and not a single switch made in the Kilkenny full back line. Thatâs a lot of very poor Championship performances for never say die attitude and influencing of referees.
You seem to be very tolerant of some very poor results in Kilkenny, the pre-eminent hurling county. A lot more tolerant than you are of over achieving managers in another code like Jurgen Klopp and Mauricio Pochettino
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In 2013 Cody oversaw Kilkennyâs first loss to Dublin since 1942
They won the next two All-Irelands after 2013
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The first part of your response is totally irrelevant. You seem completely obsessed about the past. They actually drew with Waterford. They lost on extra time and they are in the middle of a massive rebuilding job. Tipp In 2016 on paper were a ten plus better side than them. Limerick were stronger in maybe 11/12 positions and still only managed a one point win. Kk on paper probably have at best the 6th best squad of players at the moment. limerick, Galway and cork are a good bit ahead of the pack. Would I fancy kk against any of the other sides? Yes. Will they give the big 3 a closer game than any of the rest? Yep. Kk have almost no players in their prime at the moment. Cody still has them very competitive and will improve on last year. I donât see any evidence to suggest kk would be better of without Cody.
A bit of perspective. Hereâs the team from the 2014 replay. Plenty of All Ireland Finals have been won with raw material a lot worse.
Starting XV - 2014 Replay
1 Eoin Murphy
2 Paul Murphy
3 J. J. Delaney
4 Jackie Tyrrell
5 PĂĄdraig Walsh
6 Kieran Joyce
7 Cillian Buckley
8 Richie Hogan
9 Conor Fogarty
10 Michael Fennelly
11 Colin Fennelly
12 Eoin Larkin
13 Richie Power
14 T. J. Reid
15 John Power
Subs: Henry Shefflin, Lester Ryan
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maybe 4/5 of that team would have made the four in a row side.
Four or five of that team were effectively being held together with sticking tape
John Power was a match winner in the replay but has barely been heard from since
Two ineffective subs doesnât say much for panel depth
An outstanding achievement
He gave that cheat bags of it
I was at the Waterford v Kilkenny championship match in Thurles in 2017. Iâd rate it one the worst Kilkenny performance Iâve seen in my lifetime. Waterford beat them up a stick. They had an 8-9 points lead with a few minutes to go, feel asleep, took the foot off the pedal and were hit for about 1-5 without reply. Waterford came out for extra time and buried Kilkenny for a second time in a few minutes with 2-2 or 2-3 unanswered.
Youâd swear that was a bad Waterford team.
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4 or 5 of that team were in the 4 in a row
I have pointed out the most recent track record in the Championship under Cody since the 2016 All Ireland Final and it does not make for impressive reason.
Youâre the one who appears to be completely obsessed with the past, harking back it would appear to All Ireland wins from nearly two decades ago.
You mustnât have seen many
Off the top of my head:
1987 v Galway - scored nine points in a pig of a match
1988 v Wexford - hammered out the gate in the first half and only a couple of late goals took the bare look off the scoreline
1989 v Offaly - similar story to 1988
1990 v Offaly - totally wiped out
1994 v Offaly - wiped out for most of the match, again only a couple of late consolation goals gave the scoreline any respectability
1995 v Offaly - wiped out
1996 v Wexford - a turgid performance in a dreadful match
1997 and 1998 were nothing to write home about for them in performance terms either with DJ Carey pretty much doing it all
Kilkennyâs performance against Waterford was light years ahead of any of those and against a top team too - they died with their boots on
Didnât Greg get sent off in the first half of that 2001 semi final? - a sending off that was attributed as galvanising a 14 man Galway to beat Kilkenny. With a history like that, Greg was never going to get sent off again against Kilkenny.
Were they not dying with with their boots on against Wexford in 1988, Offaly in 1989 and 1994 when they got all those late goals?
Kilkenny were diabolical against Waterford in 2017 for the first 64-65 minutes of the 70 in normal time and in extra time.
After 10 minutes. Eugene Cloonan dropped a free short and it went in the net. Some game.
Yet in 1988, 1989 and 1994 they never got level like they did in 2017
Kilkenny only reduced the margin to four points in 1994 with a goal with the last puck of the game - they were never in the hunt
Wexford 1988 and Offaly 1989 were no great shakes either - very average teams
Jj, the king and tyrell were all close to retirement. the mid 30s versions wouldnât have made their 4 in a row team.
This is Hogan Stand esque interning.
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Since 2016 theyâve drawn with Galway and Waterford and lost by a point to limerick. They are the last 3 sides to contest the all Irelandâs since 2016. This in the middle of a rebuilding job plus a heap of injuries.