All Ireland Hurling Final 2024 - The Tony Kelly Final

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@flattythehurdler

@Big_Dan_Campbell

Tipp have had two excellent minor teams in the past three years while Clare have had two good ones and one excellent one, with a very strong crop coming again next year.

Tipp minors were absolutely blessed to beat a 14 man Galway side

It’s only u17 but that Tipp team was the best and most consistent team in the country this year, lost one game out of 7 in the Munster round robin which was only due to a concession of four goals.

[Big_Dan_Campbell]

I could see a traditionalist like @peddlerscross weeping at the sense of occasion watching this

https://x.com/gaaclare/status/1814517248142225725?s=46&t=bi9TPLB4aIa07RQv_xWOxQ

[BeTimberin]

Our social media guy is better than yer social media guy

[myboyblue]

They put in as little of Davy as they could get away with

[gilgamboa]

Brilliant to see the debate about who will take over from cork or Clare raging even before the final has been played…

This rivalry has revitalised interest in hurling all over

[Halfpipe]

@BruidheanChaorthainn

The game of hurling has died in cork. At least @Perez2017 has the round robin to look forward to.

@BruidheanChaorthainn

Cork will dominate hurling for the 5-6 years. Maybe Clare slow them down but I don’t see it. I hope they do but I don’t see it.

Lads flat out here debating how slow or fast fortunes can change - can we all just settle on about 9 months?!

[Big_Dan_Campbell]

I think Cork are a very nice front foot team and have plenty of hurling and pace but talks of them dominating are a bit premature. From 1-9 they have decent players but are far from a crack unit, it is hard to think of any side that won multiple A/Is which didn’t have a really solid and mean defence.
They
will be there abouts for the next few years no doubt but nothing is guaranteed, their forwards have shown better this year at winning direct ball and primary possession but I’m still a bit sceptical of their work rate without the ball - now both of these things can be improved upon - but I think they will need to take big steps in both to be a multiple A/I winning side.

[gilgamboa]

@Big_Dan_Campbell

but I think they will need to take big steps in both to be a multiple A/I winning side.

Big time…they haven’t won the first one yet

[BruidheanChaorthainn]

@Watchyourtoes

Seamie Harnedy will be very very hard to replace for Cork, he will be a massive loss if he calls it quits after Sunday.

He’ll be difficult to replace but cork have their 1-3-6 and 11 sorted for the next few seasons.

Tipp don’t and Clare don’t. Limerick possibly could but quaid could be moving on.

If you get those key positions in place it’s not too hard to fill in the gaps. Limerick never really had a dominant 3 and a 6 in my life time until 2018.

[Declan_Moffat]

The one thing that impressed me most about this Tipp minor team was how they worked hard all through games. The final being the pinnacle of that. As @flattythehurdler says they were blessed to beat 14 man Galway but I’d flip it and say they kept working hard and had the belief. Too often it’s been levelled at Tipp sides that they don’t work hard enough despite the skill levels. This side bucks the trend. A real testament to the players and the management. The oul lad was singing their praises early on in the season as being very skilful but also hard working. Takes a lot to impress him as you well know.

[BruidheanChaorthainn]

@Declan_Moffat

The one thing that impressed me most about this Tipp minor team was how they worked hard all through games. The final being the pinnacle of that. As @flattythehurdler says they were blessed to beat 14 man Galway but I’d flip it and say they kept working hard and had the belief. Too often it’s been levelled at Tipp sides that they don’t work hard enough despite the skill levels. This side bucks the trend. A real testament to the players and the management. The oul lad was singing their praises early on in the season as being very skilful but also hard working. Takes a lot to impress him as you well know.

Galway have 11 minors won since 99. Limerick have zero.

In that period Limerick have 5 senior alll Irelands won and Galway have won one.

It’s almost like reading into under 17s results is rather meaningless.

[BruidheanChaorthainn]

Might be for a different thread but a right glitch in this structure is the Munster final losers have to beat the Leinster 3rd placed team and the Leinster winners to qualify for the all Ireland.

[ScorpioLyons]

@Pirlo

People saying that they hope Cork win it because Patrick Horgan deserves it is a load of horse shit.

1. He’s hardly up there with the greatest hurlers like Shefflin, Reid, Canning.
2. He’s meant to be a weird cunt off the pitch.
3. He has a crooked nose.

1. He absolutely is.
2. He absolutely is.
3. He absolutely has.

[caulifloweredneanderthal]

Met him a few years back at Poc Fada and seemed an alright sort.

[BruidheanChaorthainn]

Horgan is an incredibly skilled player but lacked the
Physical prowess to really dominate games.

I wouldn’t have him in the same breadth as canning, tj reid, callanan and the likes.

A bit like dimitar berbatov if comparing to other sports. He definitely has amazing skill tbf to him.

[Declan_Moffat]

But it’s looking past the results at U17/minor that matter too. Teams have won minors and U17 due to their sheer size. KK this year nearly did. It’s hard to coach that resilience and work rate but Tipp had it in spades and that’ll stand to these players. it also helps that they are extremely skilful. Ideally you’d want a viable U23 championship to keep developing U17s as the gap between an U17 breaking into a senior team is at least 6 years with S and C and all that.

[BruidheanChaorthainn]

I’d say seamus harmedy is a far more deserving all Ireland winner. He’s some tough man and has been for 12 or 13 years now.

Was it Sean og that said a fella was on the cork team who’s club he’d never heard off?

An awful ignorant comment that stuck with me.

[BruidheanChaorthainn]

@Declan_Moffat

But it’s looking past the results at U17/minor that matter too. Teams have won minors and U17 due to their sheer size. KK this year nearly did. It’s hard to coach that resilience and work rate but Tipp had it in spades and that’ll stand to these players. it also helps that they are extremely skilful. Ideally you’d want a viable U23 championship to keep developing U17s as the gap between an U17 breaking into a senior team is at least 6 years with S and C and all that.

I think that’s an interesting point. Trying to keep the development going from under 20s is very tricky. Even more so if you don’t have a clutch of good lads already playing senior county hurling at a high standard to help beds lad in. Then matching them altogether with a good coaching ticket.

Cork had three huge slices of luck this year to stay in the championship this year. If they didn’t I assume the management team would have been removed and it would have been another fresh start with more retirements.

[PhattPike]

Minors were useful, but U21s with the 7 year lead-in was always the more useful guide, and in that regard the 2018 Cork U21 runners-up are coming good as expected. Remains to be seen if the move to U20 will affect that forecasting.

[PhattPike]

I’ve never understood this criticism of Horgan supposedly not being able for the physical stuff. Like anyone he can have an off day, but he has been out in front winning ball and winning the frees he strokes over for years now. Has literally carried Cork at times.