All Ireland Senior Hurling Final 2013 - Clare v Cork

[quote=“Appendage, post: 828739, member: 11”]Cyril Farrell said that things are so professional these days that Clare would meet up early this week, maybe even last night. For fuck sake.

Clare’s bleating about the referee is fairly pathetic. They got enough handy ones themselves. The one where Bugler grab hold of some Cork lad’s hand, made out as if he was fouled got the free and then did an upper cut to nothing was really amusing.[/quote]

really?
this is in de paper from john bannon

[SIZE=4]Cork annoyed, but Gavin’s 38 extra seconds were justified[/SIZE]
Monday, September 09, 2013

What it comes down to is not which team feels more victimised. Each county will feel they suffered a raw deal from Brian Gavin. The question is who is justified to hold that opinion.


By John Bannon
Clare have a far stronger case and I’ll go into details shortly. Actually, while Gavin mightn’t be the most popular man in Cork for blowing up 38 seconds after the minimum two minutes, he was right to call a halt to the game when he did.

To clarify the additional time rule, time can be added on for incidental or deliberate play, which holds up the game. Cork’s two line-balls in the two minutes signalled by fourth official James Owens on behalf of Gavin fell into the latter bracket.

The first line ball occurred at 70:03 minutes and Conor O’Sullivan placed the ball. Christopher Joyce then repositioned the sliotar and struck it on 70:36. That’s 33 seconds of a lapse. The second line ball was awarded at 71:29 but wasn’t taken until 71:58, a gap that amounted to 29 seconds.

Cork were clearly attempting to kill the clock and I had no issue with Gavin permitting the extra 38seconds.

Some might say Clare escaped with a draw but they were done a number of wrongs in yesterday’s final, starting with the decision by Gavin not to send off Shane O’Neill in the 15th minute.

He did so on the basis of his umpire’s account of what happened between the Cork defender and Darach Honan. Both were yellow carded in the end but O’Neill deserved to be sent to the line for a strike on the Clare forward’s head.

In the 20th minute, Anthony Nash took a 20-metre free that, by the time he struck it, was close to the 13m line. At the same time, Patrick Kelly had moved so far off the line that he was almost able to catch the ball before Nash took it.

Gavin spoke to the two goalkeepers when the penalty was given to Cork in the second half but it didn’t have much effect as both behaved as they did for the first placed ball.

In the 26th minute, David McInerney was clearly fouled by Conor Lehane when he was chopped but it went unnoticed and the Clare full-back was penalised for over-carrying.

Patrick Horgan fired over the free, just as he did in the 31st minute when Lorcan McLoughlin should have been punished for charging. Instead, he earned a free after Colin Ryan was adjudged to have fouled him. Had those two frees not been awarded, the scoreline might have looked a lot different.

One minute into the second half, Podge Collins was pushed in the back by Stephen McDonnell but there was no free given to Clare. In the 43rd minute, Gavin brought a Cork free forward 13 metres, one of a number of times he did so in the game. It wasn’t usual style but it also showed just how frustrated the Clare players had grown with his officiating.

The question is now who will be appointed for the replay? It’s between Owens and Johnny Ryan, who was a sideline official along with James McGrath yesterday.

In the minor final, Cathal McAllister did plenty to suggest he will be back on the 2014 senior Championship referees’ roster. He wouldn’t be known for giving a lot of frees but the 26, a high number for a minor game, he issued all looked to be correct decision. He also handed out three yellow cards and clearly has changed his style.

Finally Barry Kelly last week lost his wife Catherine after a short illness. My thoughts and prayers are with Barry, his three-year-old sons Manus and Theo and both families.

[quote=“twiceasnice97, post: 828749, member: 1061”]really?
this is in de paper from john bannon

[SIZE=4]Cork annoyed, but Gavin’s 38 extra seconds were justified[/SIZE]
Monday, September 09, 2013

What it comes down to is not which team feels more victimised. Each county will feel they suffered a raw deal from Brian Gavin. The question is who is justified to hold that opinion.


By John Bannon
Clare have a far stronger case and I’ll go into details shortly. Actually, while Gavin mightn’t be the most popular man in Cork for blowing up 38 seconds after the minimum two minutes, he was right to call a halt to the game when he did.

To clarify the additional time rule, time can be added on for incidental or deliberate play, which holds up the game. Cork’s two line-balls in the two minutes signalled by fourth official James Owens on behalf of Gavin fell into the latter bracket.

The first line ball occurred at 70:03 minutes and Conor O’Sullivan placed the ball. Christopher Joyce then repositioned the sliotar and struck it on 70:36. That’s 33 seconds of a lapse. The second line ball was awarded at 71:29 but wasn’t taken until 71:58, a gap that amounted to 29 seconds.

Cork were clearly attempting to kill the clock and I had no issue with Gavin permitting the extra 38seconds.

Some might say Clare escaped with a draw but they were done a number of wrongs in yesterday’s final, starting with the decision by Gavin not to send off Shane O’Neill in the 15th minute.

He did so on the basis of his umpire’s account of what happened between the Cork defender and Darach Honan. Both were yellow carded in the end but O’Neill deserved to be sent to the line for a strike on the Clare forward’s head.

In the 20th minute, Anthony Nash took a 20-metre free that, by the time he struck it, was close to the 13m line. At the same time, Patrick Kelly had moved so far off the line that he was almost able to catch the ball before Nash took it.

Gavin spoke to the two goalkeepers when the penalty was given to Cork in the second half but it didn’t have much effect as both behaved as they did for the first placed ball.

In the 26th minute, David McInerney was clearly fouled by Conor Lehane when he was chopped but it went unnoticed and the Clare full-back was penalised for over-carrying.

Patrick Horgan fired over the free, just as he did in the 31st minute when Lorcan McLoughlin should have been punished for charging. Instead, he earned a free after Colin Ryan was adjudged to have fouled him. Had those two frees not been awarded, the scoreline might have looked a lot different.

One minute into the second half, Podge Collins was pushed in the back by Stephen McDonnell but there was no free given to Clare. In the 43rd minute, Gavin brought a Cork free forward 13 metres, one of a number of times he did so in the game. It wasn’t usual style but it also showed just how frustrated the Clare players had grown with his officiating.

The question is now who will be appointed for the replay? It’s between Owens and Johnny Ryan, who was a sideline official along with James McGrath yesterday.

In the minor final, Cathal McAllister did plenty to suggest he will be back on the 2014 senior Championship referees’ roster. He wouldn’t be known for giving a lot of frees but the 26, a high number for a minor game, he issued all looked to be correct decision. He also handed out three yellow cards and clearly has changed his style.

Finally Barry Kelly last week lost his wife Catherine after a short illness. My thoughts and prayers are with Barry, his three-year-old sons Manus and Theo and both families.[/quote]

Really. Miserable pathetic shower of whinging gee bags.

Your ability to miss the point is of Olympics standard…if things fall right for you you’ll be on the plane to Rio…

[quote=“twiceasnice97, post: 828666, member: 1061”]Did we get any frees when a clare lad fouled a corkman and then got a free himself?

Really looking forward to the replay now. It would be hard for the clare lads who didn’t perform to stomach losing like that.
The keeper full back line o’connor galvin kelly galvin conlon honan and mcgrath will all feel they have a bit to do.

I thought it was a fantastic match. I couldn’t give a shite if it was better or worse than any other matchs.
In corks corner o’neill despite the pull had a great game as did joyce and the other 4 scrambled like hell to keep going. Harnedy and conor ryan’s contest was worth the 320 it cost me to get the family in on it’s own.
Horgan I was pleased for. He has stepped up a level this year and burned off the last of denis walshs fcuking stupidity

I know corkonians will feel if they improve a small bit that they will take it but to my naturally clare focussed opinion I just think we have better players.
Moylan will probably start the next day, but that cuts the bench options .
On another note tom kenny must be going fairly badly not to come on in that type of hug paced open game[/quote]
:rolleyes:
the person Moylan replaces will be an option you numpty.

the person Moylan replaces will be an option you numpty.[/quote]

Kev…would you ever throw Coughlan into midfield for a bit?..i think he played there with his college…think he’s a very intelligent hurler and while he was poor yesterday he still a lad who could grab a goal or create one at least…he seems to low on confidence and be playing like a lad who knows he’ll be first off every match…

the person Moylan replaces will be an option you numpty.[/quote]

the person moylan replaces will be coughlan so no he won`t you fcukwit because he is either not ready or not good enough. It was fine to have coughlan flitting about the place when ye had 15 on 14 but yesterday when it was all hands to the pump there could be no indulging him.

any chance Paidi o sullivna could get back for replay or is he miles off?..

Cork should have won that final and I’d be outraged with the time added on. Just because Clare played well doesn’t mean they are entitled to anything. Defending is part of the game also and they allowed Cork score 3 goals, and in truth it should have been 4. Any team that concedes that doesn’t deserve to win.

clare bottled it pal, remember that

:confused:

As always, people are missing the point about time-keeping. Different referees seem to judge extra time differently, some will blow up straight on the two minutes…some will adjust. Point is consistency.

Of course, this wouldn’t be a problem if we had a system in place like the women do.

Eh Mickee I’d be surprised if Clare don’t beat us by 8-10 points the next day. Not even slightly confident, and it was a greater blow to our confidence then theirs.

Enlighten me. The statement you’ve quoted relatively accurate.

The ball was struck over 25 seconds over time after cork had faffed about replacing sideline balls for about 1 minute of the two minutes added on. There can be absolutely no complaints about the time.

Last weeks Echo said he was trying to be back for Sunday (yesterday) but would probably not make it. He can’t be far off and to have him for the last 5/10 mins could be huge for Cork.

Hasn’t played hurling off year. Only recently off crutches. Might make a cameo for 5-10 minutes but that is it.

The replay will hopefully bring Murphy and McLoughlin on however.

we are planning to bury the ref with a shoulder in the first minute next time out rather than waiting to the last minute as we were making eejits of the cork lads while on the way to equalising.

the plan would be to remind the fcuker that any attempt by the ref to secure the all ireland for cork will be met with conor ryan or bugler soloing right out over him accidentally the next day

Would you stop. How many game do refs blow it up bang on the alloted time and the ball hadn’t been in play for most of it… nearly always. It’s a constant complaint of mine. He clearly gave Clare a shot at it yesterday.

[quote=“Turenne, post: 828771, member: 232”]Hasn’t played hurling off year. Only recently off crutches. Might make a cameo for 5-10 minutes but that is it.

The replay will hopefully bring Murphy and McLoughlin on however.[/quote]

i don`t know, if he really was close to playing yesterday then he could be a real option. clever players can sometimes make a big impact without necessarily being at peak fitness

It’s also “at least 2 mins.” It’s only full numbers that come up on the board. So at least 2 mins is anything between 2.00 - 2.59