[QUOTE=“kerry1891, post: 1109009, member: 1379”]MBB
I hear you but I wouldn’t mind the odd under 21 win over Cork all the same[/QUOTE]
Perhaps but it’s all relative and underage success while enjoyable should always be a means to an end. Kerry will always be fine once they have the proper structures in place as are there now. You should dig out JOD’s interview with Woolie on OTB recently, very informative, as was Michael Quirkes at the Games Conference in Croker not long ago.
great to see a forward thinking county generating income through chasing big sponsorship deals while other counties can’t even cover the cost of stadiums they build but go ahead and build them anyway then sit back and wait for gaa to bail them out…
I disagree. U21 knock out means any well prepared county team has a chance on a one off against the big boys.
I saw Quirke’s. Good sensible structures in place in Kerry now all right and have been the last few years. Some of the Kerry players tonite have been through this new system so I expected a bit more
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
how does that explain the millions the GAA handed them to promote hurling?
that’s a different issue…
I was talking about how impressive Dublin seem to chase down car sponsors, water sponsors, under armour sponsors, protein supplement sponsors and the like, non alcoholic beer sponsors, Louis copeland for clobber, Gibson Hotel for functions, aer lingus as travel sponsors … they really explore every avenue…
you’re right about the hurling but how do you gauge a fair price for a county that has a population bigger than most counties combined?..
if we’re going off population size is it not basic intelligence that the cost of promoting hurling goes up accordingly? there’s no county to compare Dublin to for size…
think Dublin are the only county who employs their own gaa coaches …other counties are funded by the province…
I don’t think its a surprise that a sport will go after the place with biggest population in an effort to help the sport grow…
[QUOTE=“scumpot, post: 1109131, member: 182”]that’s a different issue…
I was talking about how impressive Dublin seem to chase down car sponsors, water sponsors, under armour sponsors, protein supplement sponsors and the like, non alcoholic beer sponsors, Louis copeland for clobber, Gibson Hotel for functions, aer lingus as travel sponsors … they really explore every avenue…
you’re right about the hurling but how do you gauge a fair price for a county that has a population bigger than most counties combined?..
if we’re going off population size is it not basic intelligence that the cost of promoting hurling goes up accordingly? there’s no county to compare Dublin to for size…
think Dublin are the only county who employs their own gaa coaches …other counties are funded by the province…
I don’t think its a surprise that a sport will go after the place with biggest population in an effort to help the sport grow…[/QUOTE]
no, its not a different issue, you changed the subject. You responded to this:
by going on about sponsor deals etc. The point being that Dublin get an extraordinary amount of additional funding, disproportionate to both population and membership numbers. It is what it is, but trying to play it off as if it’s nothing and that other counties should be doing more is really not the argument.
by the by, while they might technically employ their own coaches, they dont really. Leinster council dont pay them, thats the only difference. The GAA treat Dublin as a province, so the money issued to the provinces, Dublin get the same billing. Dublin get money direct from the GAA, not Leinster council to pay for the 50+ full time coaches and whatever else they want to use the money on, and they also get further funding from the sports council. Dublin got €2.1m (1.4 paid on coaching and games development) last year. Leinster council paid €1.4m to the other 11 counties combined.
credit to dublin for getting the AIG deal and anything else they get, but it is a lot easier to get the sponsorship deals with the market they have in comparison to other places. there is no way to equitably distribute funds without making it a professional game, so Dublin shouldnt be punished for being able to get more money. But at the same time, you shouldnt dismiss people saying they get extra funding as being sour grapes.
[QUOTE=“Gman, post: 1109155, member: 112”]no, its not a different issue, you changed the subject. You responded to this:
by going on about sponsor deals etc. The point being that Dublin get an extraordinary amount of additional funding, disproportionate to both population and membership numbers. It is what it is, but trying to play it off as if it’s nothing and that other counties should be doing more is really not the argument.
by the by, while they might technically employ their own coaches, they dont really. Leinster council dont pay them, thats the only difference. The GAA treat Dublin as a province, so the money issued to the provinces, Dublin get the same billing. Dublin get money direct from the GAA, not Leinster council to pay for the 50+ full time coaches and whatever else they want to use the money on, and they also get further funding from the sports council. Dublin got €2.1m (1.4 paid on coaching and games development) last year. Leinster council paid €1.4m to the other 11 counties combined.
credit to dublin for getting the AIG deal and anything else they get, but it is a lot easier to get the sponsorship deals with the market they have in comparison to other places. there is no way to equitably distribute funds without making it a professional game, so Dublin shouldnt be punished for being able to get more money. But at the same time, you shouldnt dismiss people saying they get extra funding as being sour grapes.[/QUOTE]
fair enough…but this originally started over U 21 football , not money for developing hurling…the point I was making in response to the resident fuckwit hurler on the ditch from Laois lazily just putting dublin’s success down to mere numbers…as someone who coaches a team I’m sure you agree that is totally underestimating the work of people involved and maximising your resources … its typical begrudging shite…like I said Dublin always had a big population but before 2011 had 2 all Irelands in 30’s…credit where it is due…
might have been better to put the manager through the system instead of just going straight to U21 grade for his first management role…
That’s a fair point. It’s too easy to roll out a statement like “numbers game” if this were the case Dublin would be the top of all GAA rolls of honour.
There has been massive investment in Dublin GAA but again this will on only get you so far as @Bisto alluded to, you need the right coaches. Additionally it cannot be denied that funding is a leg up to a successful team but it is not the be all and all.
kinda agree and disagree. there is plenty of money being pumped in on top of the €5m that was pumped in for hurling. Yes it is lazy to just attribute the success solely down to numbers or money, but at the same time, once those numbers and money was being utilised properly it has undoubtedly made a massive difference. Put it this way, I dont think Dublin would be where they are without either, but they needed to make the most of it, and that they certainly have through good coaching and games development plans.
In terms of the ‘numbers game’ quip though, its pretty fair to say Dublin are one of few, if the only, team who play a 20 man tactical game, in so much as they have players on the bench who come on as part of actual tactics, and not to just to replace a like for like sub. This is evident in some of the subs they have and how they use them. Its a great advantage to have a panel with so much depth in it, but again, it will only work if it is used properly, and Dublin do use it properly.
[QUOTE=“count of monte cristo, post: 1109192, member: 348”]That’s a fair point. It’s too easy to roll out a statement like “numbers game” if this were the case Dublin would be the top of all GAA rolls of honour.
There has been massive investment in Dublin GAA but again this will on only get you so far as @Bisto alluded to, you need the right coaches. Additionally it cannot be denied that funding is a leg up to a successful team but it is not the be all and all.[/QUOTE]
I suppose the big question is does Dublin get disproportionate funding. As one of 32 counties yes, per head of the population no.
That said had all that money been spent instead accross weaker hurling counties like say Westmeath, Laois, Down, Derry, Kerry, Kildare, Meath etc, would the game of hurling be better off? Probably.
As mentioned last night - the animals were expecting their U21s to do well this year and failure is not tolerated in the Kingdom.
What funding should be given is complicated. Is the gaa running a competitive and equal 32 county championship, or is it trying to maximise player numbers among youngsters? Dublins population would ensure it has more potential players. But doesnt cork have more clubs? I think funding should be provided based on club numbers, the additional funding dublin received for hurling should be redistributed to improve other hurling counties, in a way its a arab sheikh/abaramovich situation except the organisation is the one providing the leg up. Dublin has got its act together but it is fairly set up for them. Im sure companies are fighting for the chance to sponsor them they are such high profile and ‘cool’ to be associated with the last few years. Dublins real advantages are that its small with a centralised population, so lads have little distance to travel to training. Also lads can all work or go to college in the city keeping them around. And the biggest advantage is that they (well the footballers) play all meaningful games on a pitch and in a stadium like no other in the country. Dublin has enough going for them without the additional funding their hurlers get imo, only right that clubs take priority for funds, and the inter county scene remains competitive. Dublin will still do ok as clubs grow, its not healthy for a governing body to essentially be favouring a team in any way. There has been a general consensus of its great to see them emerge. I dont share it, they are galways rivals and well able to beat us, not some sad case that needs help. Theyve won a league, won leinster and came close in an all ireland semi final. Theyve achieved already what other counties can only dream of with this additional funding, do they have to win two all irelands for it to stop?
As long as Dublin kick the shit out of Kildare it’ll all be worth it.
They’re all the fucking one. West Dubs make up Kildare. Up the real Dubs.
A wannabe Dub, fuck, there could be nothing worse. Not even a real ‘honest ta jaysis’ Dub. Not even that.
[QUOTE=“dodgy-keeper, post: 1108957, member: 1552”]Was this Dara O’Se’s second year over the Kerry u-21’s?
Not a great start to his managerial career if so.[/QUOTE]
Have you ever read his articles?
Bizarre appointment. Virtually no coaching or managerial experience.
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