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Port Arthur massacre and its consequences[edit]

Main article: Port Arthur massacre (Australia)

The Port Arthur massacre in 1996 transformed gun control legislation in Australia. 35 people were killed and 23 wounded when the gunman opened fire on shop owners and tourists with two semi-automatic rifles. This mass killing horrified the Australian public.

The massacre occurred six weeks after the Dunblane massacre in Scotland.[9]

The Port Arthur perpetrator said he bought his firearms from a gun dealer without holding the required firearms licence.[14]

Prime Minister John Howard took the gun law proposals developed from the report of the 1988 National Committee on Violence[15] and convinced the states to adopt them under a National Firearms Agreement. This was necessary because the Australian Constitution does not give the Commonwealth power to enact gun laws. The proposals included a ban on all semi-automatic rifles and all semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns, and a system of licensing and ownership controls.

The Howard Government held a series of public meetings to explain the proposed changes. In the first meeting, Howard wore a bullet-resistant vest, which was visible under his jacket. Many shooters were critical of this.[16][17][18] Some firearm owners applied to join the Liberal Party in an attempt to influence the government, but the party barred them from membership.[19][20] A court action by 500 shooters seeking admission to membership eventually failed in the Supreme Court of South Australia.[21]

The Australian Constitution requires just compensation be given for property taken over, so the federal government introduced the Medicare Levy Amendment Act 1996 to raise the predicted cost of A$500 million through a one-off increase in the Medicare levy. The gun buy-back scheme started on 1 October 1996 and concluded on 30 September 1997.[22] The government bought back and destroyed over 1 million firearms.[23]

Following the National Agreement on Firearms, the number of deaths by firearms in Australia, initially declined slowly. Overall homicides immediately after saw a decrease of less than one per 100,000 persons. Over the medium term homicide by firearm dropped from 1/200,000 to 1/670,000.[24]

Between 2010-2014, gun related homicides across all of Australia had dropped to 30-40 per year. Firearms in 2014 were used in less than 15% of homicides, less than 0.1% of sexual assaults, less than 6% of kidnapping/abductions and 8% of robberies.[25]

Since the 1996 legislation the risk of dying by gunshots was reduced by 50% in the following years and stayed on that lower level since then.

The rate of gun related suicide was greatly reduced as well.[23] In 2010, a study reported a 59% decrease in firearm homicides in Australia between 1995 and 2006 (0.37 per 100,000 people in 1995 to 0.15 per 100,000 people in 2006).[26] They also reported that the non-firearm homicides fell by the same rate. The decreasing rate for homicide with a firearm was a continuation of a pre-existing decline prior to the 1996 reforms, and several analyses of these trends have been conducted and claimed that the reforms have had a statistically insignificant effect on homicide rates with a firearm .[27]

Suicides by firearm were already declining; however they fell significantly after controls, dropping around 50% in two years.[28] Overall suicide rates remained steady until a slight drop in 2003, followed by stable rates since then.[24]


Measuring the effects of firearms laws in Australia[edit]

Measures and trends in social problems related to firearms[edit]

Between 1991 and 2001, the number of firearm-related deaths in Australia declined 47%.[40]

In 2014, 35 people were victims of firearms homicide,[41] compared to 98 people in 1996.[42]

Suicide deaths using firearms more than halved over the ten years, from 389 deaths in 1995, to 147 deaths in 2005.[43] to 7% of all suicides in 2005.[44]

The number of guns stolen has fallen from an average 4,195 per year from 1994 to 2000 to 1,526 in 2006–2007. Long guns are more often stolen opportunistically in home burglaries, but few homes have handguns and a substantial proportion of stolen handguns are taken from security firms and other businesses; only a tiny proportion, 0.06% of licensed firearms, are stolen in a given year. Only a small proportion of those firearms are recovered. Approximately 3% of these stolen weapons are later connected to an actual crime or found in the possession of a person charged with a serious offence.[45]

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I suppose the big difference is that attempting similar would cause a civil war in the US, which probably wouldn’t have the same effect on the amount of lives saved.

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Yes but that’s because Yanks are insane.

Indeed. That’s why we need to scan their brains.

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Cat got your tongue @anon7035031? :popcorn:

I’ll probably post this again at some stage in the good journalism thread, but wade in, and marvel at gun records in America.

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There are only 2 stories about this on the front of the indo online.

Paris/Nice/London etc. appear to have gotten far more coverage in fairness.

On a separate point a quare many of them yanks are as thick as shit. The right to bear arms indeed.

Ahh here now… many of the muslim attacks over the past couple of years were attributed to men with mental health issues, trying to deflect from islam as any factor. A convenient islamisist apologist tactic also. Don’t be completey disingenuous.

Fine piece of work young man, but sadly if I were your professor you would get an F.
I am sure you have heard the expression correlation does not equal causation, so in this instance one needs to dig a little deeper to get at the truth. A truth that will of course result in hysterical screaming from the usual sources and charges of racism.

You simply cannot look at murder rates in the US (the great majority of murders are gun related) and try and make any sense of them without considering race, as the vast majority of murder victims are killed by people of their own race, people tend to kill who they know. Those are statistics per 100,000; white: 2.5, hispanic 5.3 and black 19.1. The reality is that hispanics are twice as likely to kill each other as white people and black people almost eight times as likely. In rough numbers blacks commit 50% of the murders in the US while representing just over 10% of the population.

Your homework for tonight is to redo your analysis with the racial demographics of each state included. I understand it’s a bit more taxing than the simplistic argument you put forward, but you’re a smart lad and I’m confident you can pull up your grade.

Deaths by firearm in the US versus other developed countries is also a little misleading for another reason, you really need to be looking at murder rates. The majority of deaths by firearm in the US are suicides, as in the US that’s the preferred method of suicide. Regardless of the availability of guns, suicide rates are no higher in the US than other developed countries, the US is about the same as the average of western Europe.

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I sincerely hope you are not involve in a medical field if you are so out of date with the industry…

https://www.occupycorporatism.com/10-facts-psychopaths-discovered-uc-brain-scan-study/

As I don’t have time to respond to all of the comments, these are my general thoughts…

I am in favor of stricter gun control and getting semi automatic and automatic weapons off the streets. Easier said than done as the great majority of the latter are held illegally. People always want a simple solution, but sadly issues surrounding violence and murder in particular are a lot more complex than most simpletons appreciate. There are many other factors to consider, cultural, socioeconomic and political.

Insight Crime are an organization that have studied crime in central and south America (where gun deaths are much higher than the US) and concluded that “gun legislation, on it’s own, means little in terms of gun violence”. For example Brazil has much stricter gun laws than the US, but the gun murder rates are much higher, not just than the US, but other Latin American countries with lax gun laws.

I think the work of James Fallon is largely discredited and I don’t believe he has published any peer reviewed research.

I don’t think anyone is suggesting that stricter gun control is going to remove all murders.

Why would you extrapolate a finding from a fringe organisation about crime in Latin America and seek to use it as a basis for legislating in the US?

Do you have a source for this outrageous claim? Fallon is a leading neuroscientist specializing in brain imaging, and is widely published.

https://www.ted.com/talks/jim_fallon_exploring_the_mind_of_a_killer

Because it suits his argument

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Wow he’s done a TED talk. So has David Blaine. Where is the peer reviewed research?

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No but certain people are suggesting that brain scans might

Why would you not look at countries that have the highest (and lowest) gun crime and gun related deaths and not try and understand that in the context of the problems with gun crime in the US?