With all the reshuffles of late, is there any in the Tory Party who hasnât have a Ministerial position at this stage?
Because heâs a tosser
Youâre dead right there. Despite the claims of being independent the English actually love being ruled by a toff. Johnson will destroy Corbyn.
I never said Corbyn would walk a general election.
Labour would likely have won a general election had one been held in the first half of this year alright.
Your problem is that you have no ability to analyse things as they happen, and no ability to change your mind about things when you find yourself defending a ridiculous position which youâre afraid to abandon out of fear of losing face.
Which is all the time.
Where do you suggest Labour go from here @Sidney?
Itâs an appalling cabinet but requires strong credible and unified opposition imho to cause it to collapse in on itself
The next few months will be fascinating
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For a lickspittle like you it will, yeah.
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For anyone. Pleasant, no. Interesting, yes.
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Stick to the Red Injun podcasts.
Far more interesting than whatâs going on with your imperial overlords
Raab is just getting his head around the Dover- Calais issue to be fair, heâll need to read the good friday agreement next
Labourâs problems are multiple
Corbynâs obstinacy on Brexit is problem number one
Currently, their position is to oppose any Tory Brexit - but if thereâs a general election, that policy then becomes null and void because theyâll be campaigning to win the election and implement their own much softer Brexit
Leadership said the wishes of the membership would determine policy, but membership is overwhelmingly pro-Remain and anti-any Brexit
So the party must become unambiguously pro-Remain and it still hasnât done that, itâs caught between two stools - killing the enthusiasm of the grass roots that did so much to get the vote out in 2017 - which at nearly 13 million was the largest Labour vote since 1997
If youâre ambiguous, youâre divided
Tories and other right-wing parties can get away with that because the sort of people who consider voting for the Tories are generally morally bankrupt, just like the party itself, and prone to easy conning
The young grass roots of Labour is idealistic and prinicpled, they see their futures and the futures of millions of young people and other people being chucked down the toilet by Brexit
Is it any wonder they have become disillusioned
The behaviour of much of the Labour parliamentary party right from the start has been dreadful and that has been Corbynâs other long running problem
A lot of those who have stayed on the sidelines and thrown stones are talented politicians, but they have shown themselves up in a dreadful light because it seems theyâre more interested in destroying the Labour party itself than winning an election
There isnât really a solution to that - theyâve had four years and still are happy to keep destroying the party from within rather than trying to contribute positively
I donât believe the anti-Semitism stuff has made a huge dent in Labourâs polling because most people can see through the fact that itâs a wider smear campaign to damage Corbyn because he is sympathetic to the Palestinian cause - while the Tories, who are absolutely shot through with toxic racism in an exponentially more serious way than any problems Labour have, get off scot free
But it has contributed to a general sense of malaise around the party
The media problem is one that Labour has always faced and always will face, going back many decades - UK media is very right-wing, and even Blair only got them somewhat onside because the Tories completely imploded in the 1990s and he veered right
The media in the UK effectively created Brexit
Labour at the moment are relying on Johnson imploding, which isnât impossible, but I feel unlikely because too many people will not see through his con man nature and mistake his arrogance for competence
Johnson will try to portray himself as Churchill
A lot of Brits love that crap
Labour will have to try and create a narrative where people believe they are they only viable alternative to a right-wing dystopia and people rally to them to get the Tories out
Painting Johnson as the poodle of Farage and Trump, which he is, must also be a central strategy
Corbyn is a good campaigner, Johnson has weaknesses as shown in the Tory debates, and Labourâs policies will certainly be miles better than Johnsonâs, so I retain a small amount of hope that the Tories could be beaten, but things are not looking very good
Johnson will just lie as he has done his whole life and people will buy it
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Pretty good analysis there. Iâm not sure about Corbyn being a good campaigner in comparison to Johnson. Johnson is an excellent campaigner. The way to damage Johnson is to pin him on details and prevent him from blustering his ignorance away. But thatâs exactly the sort of situation he and his advisors will strive to avoid. PMQâs are perhaps Corbynâs best opportunity to embarrass him but I can see Johnson just turning them into a circus to cover up his lack of grasp of detail.
The one thing Corbyn & Labour musnât do is underestimate him. It takes a very clever man to play the fool.
Boris beat Red Ken twice.
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Yep. And particularly the first time Livingston was a big favourite to win and very popular in London. Thatâs supporting evidence of my statement that Johnson is an excellent campaigner.
Itâs funny actually that an English electorate that I believe voted Brexit in large part because of Little England (bordering on racist) views will get behind Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson, who is by some accounts only 1/8 English having Turkish & French ancestors. I remember reading somewhere that the Johnson name came from his grandmother whose Turkish husband adopted her name.
And his leading ministers all from immigrant backgrounds: Raab, Patel and Javid. The labour politburo is quite white by comparison.
Strange how so many from immigrant backgrounds want to pull the ladder up after they âmake itâ.
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