Ah they are quite decent at the ol football too though.
People I have on ignore they must be.
You only opposed what I said to make some other regarded point you had made seem relevant.
You are too stupid to deal with anymore.
Obviously, but my point is they wouldnât have featured in so many All Ireland finals and won so many if they had a more difficult route. Kevâs outlook is similar to a typical unionist who felt those fenians had it good enough with one house one vote, deplorable living conditions and poor working opportunities.
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 1060513, member: 273â]People I have on ignore they must be.
You only opposed what I said to make some other regarded point you had made seem relevant.[/QUOTE]
No, you actually debated it with them. I picked out something that you were trying to pass off as a base for an argument that was completely false. You were asked to show where he said it and in nowhere did he say he over trained them. What McGuinness actually said was he tailored his training for this year as there were players carrying a lot of injuries last year and he did not want to risk their fitness by training too hard early in the year. He never once indicated that his training methods were the cause of those injuries and you continued to skirt away from this point.
I make far too many rational and logical points for you to comprehend. Your whole argument was exposed as contradictory a few pages back on this thread. There has been nowhere left for you to run so Iâd say we arenât too far away from the dumb ratings being bandied about again.
Overuse/over training is the no. 1 cause of injuries.
Has this been answered yet? I canât be arsed trawling through shite.
Injuries are not only caused by over training and nowhere in the article posted up did McGuinness acknowledge he was responsible for the injuries as you alluded. He pointed to the fact that he had altered the training structure so as to protect the players who had struggled with injuries last year. He never once hinted that he was responsible for injuries, but yet you continue to incorrectly infer he did.
Mac you can recover within 48 hours, physically 2 weeks is more than enough time, 3 is probably ideal. Anymore is too long IMO.
Mentally maybe a week, but winning is the easiest way to stay fresh mentally.
Hence the issues some hurling teams have had
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 1060533, member: 273â]Mac you can recover within 48 hours, physically 2 weeks is more than enough time, 3 is probably ideal. Anymore is too long IMO.
Mentally maybe a week, but winning is the easiest way to stay fresh mentally.
Hence the issues some hurling teams have had[/QUOTE]
Many high profile GAA players would disagree with you going by their comments of late.
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 1060503, member: 273â]Not competing year on year is far more to do with psychology and the level of depth in a county. In Tyrone winning an AI medal makes you a legend immediately. In Kerry winning one is never enough and if you go off the boil there will be someone just as good coming along.
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Winning an All-Ireland is a natural curbing factor on a playerâs hunger, especially as itâs an amateur sport, and Kerry players are not immune to that. Itâs a massive help to them that they can coast through to August each year rather than have to face a hugely difficult provincial campaign. To argue otherwise is laughable.
Jim McGuinness said all along before the 2013 campaign that he was only thinking about one match - Tyrone. Thatâs what Donegal had to aim their training at. Then it was Down. Then Monaghan. That takes a physical and mental toll and when a player is mentally drained they are more susceptible to injury. Kerry rarely have to face anything like that and when for once they did in 2010 against Cork, they were punch drunk by the time they faced Down. Even with Kerryâs generally easy route to the last 8 they still only managed to retain the All-Ireland once. If Kerry find it difficult to retain an All-Ireland even with the advantage of their easy route it becomes obvious how an Ulster team will find it even more difficult to retain an All-Ireland.
If Donegal had been able to coast into the last 12 in 2013 like Kerry were they would have been contenders again and thereâs certainly no way they would have been dismantled as they were by Mayo.
I think there has been a phenomenal amount of over training done in the last 10 years.
What was remarkable about Cork was their freshness and their fitness. They really were superbly conditioned and comparably had very little issues with injuries. Their S&C coach was given free reign and was clearly listened to by CC. Aidan O Connell is one of the best around and was years ahead of his time. That has stopped with Cutbert by all accounts and has seen that guy leave the set up. The trust between manager and the coaches is huge. Cody has that, Fitzmaurice has it etc
Some of the methods used by Tyrone certainly, and I suspect by others in Ulster, were far more crude. Tyrone subsequently had a very high injury count, a lot of them serious sports injuries.
Itâs the cumulative affect of training is the issue, not games. I donât expect guys here to understand this, but you donât have to mirror the physical effort from year to year to maintain high levels of conditioning.
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 1060538, member: 273â]I think there has been a phenomenal amount of over training done in the last 10 years.
What was remarkable about Cork was their freshness and their fitness. They really were superbly conditioned and comparably had very little issues with injuries. Their S&C coach was given free reign and was clearly listened to by CC. Aidan O Connell is one of the best around and was years ahead of his time. That has stopped with Cutbert by all accounts and has seen that guy leave the set up. The trust between manager and the coaches is huge. Cody has that, Fitzmaurice has it etc
Some of the methods used by Tyrone certainly, and I suspect by others in Ulster, were far more crude. Tyrone subsequently had a very high injury count, a lot of them serious sports injuries.
Itâs the cumulative affect of training is the issue, not games. I donât expect guys here to understand this, but you donât have to mirror the physical effort from year to year to maintain high levels of conditioning.[/QUOTE]
You are an absolute spoofer of the highest order, injuries are part and parcel of sport, you canât blame them all on strength and conditioning - joint injuries in particular such as knees and ankles can be very easily caused by freak accidents. Broken bones are very much the way of impact injuries and such. Trying to swindle people into thinking that injuries are wholly to blame on poor training methods is a very dishonest way to make a living.
Breaks are a tiny part of sports injuries. Joints are moved by muscles, poor muscle balance causes joint instability and/or immobility and is the cause of major joint injuries. Poor control also can contribute. A good S&C coach will keep everything balanced. For instance I know Armagh did a lot of anterior strength training (benching and squats for instance). This is a major cause of joint injuries. Tyrone did a lot of physical training at the end of training including high intensity runs. This is another recipe for disaster.
You havenât a notion. But keep on making a clown of yourself.
You canât eliminate injuries, as you are right they are part of sport, however reducing them is very possible and very important.
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 1060538, member: 273â]I think there has been a phenomenal amount of over training done in the last 10 years.
What was remarkable about Cork was their freshness and their fitness. They really were superbly conditioned and comparably had very little issues with injuries. Their S&C coach was given free reign and was clearly listened to by CC. Aidan O Connell is one of the best around and was years ahead of his time. That has stopped with Cutbert by all accounts and has seen that guy leave the set up. The trust between manager and the coaches is huge. Cody has that, Fitzmaurice has it etc
Some of the methods used by Tyrone certainly, and I suspect by others in Ulster, were far more crude. Tyrone subsequently had a very high injury count, a lot of them serious sports injuries.
Itâs the cumulative affect of training is the issue, not games. I donât expect guys here to understand this, but you donât have to mirror the physical effort from year to year to maintain high levels of conditioning.[/QUOTE]
You mention the cumulative effect of training being a factor in injury. You earlier talked about aiming training at September. Kerry can do that. Ulster teams cannot do that. They have to maintain a longer peak just to get to the stage where they could begin thinking about an All-Ireland.
Tyroneâs training methods were generally regarded to be ahead of the curve in relation to other counties, with huge emphasis on quality rather than quantity, and generous recovery time. They trained an average of two nights a week together in 2003. Paddy Tally and Fergal McCann are two of the most highly rated trainers around. http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-challenge-longheld-beliefs-25925041.html
Cork, like Kerry, were beneficiaries of being able to coast into the last 12 most years. You talk about how injury-free and fresh they were. Have you forgotten that they were ravaged by injury the year after they won the All-Ireland? Graham Canty was being barely held together for years while Colm OâNeill did his cruciate three times. Diarmuid Duggan had to retire due to a chronic hip injury and can barely walk.
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 1060557, member: 273â]Breaks are a tiny part of sports injuries. Joints are moved by muscles, poor muscle balance causes joint instability and/or immobility and is the cause of major joint injuries. Poor control also can contribute. A good S&C coach will keep everything balanced. For instance I know Armagh did a lot of anterior strength training (benching and squats for instance). This is a major cause of joint injuries. Tyrone did a lot of physical training at the end of training including high intensity runs. This is another recipe for disaster.
You havenât a notion. But keep on making a clown of yourself.[/QUOTE]
Well youâre a guy in his mid-30s halfway through a degree and youâre putting yourself as some expert witness against All Ireland winning fitness coaches. I think youâre the one who is making a clown out of himself.
Presumably Brian McGuigan nearly losing an eye was down to overtraining.
[QUOTE=âcaoimhaoin, post: 1060557, member: 273â]Breaks are a tiny part of sports injuries. Joints are moved by muscles, poor muscle balance causes joint instability and/or immobility and is the cause of major joint injuries. Poor control also can contribute. A good S&C coach will keep everything balanced. For instance I know Armagh did a lot of anterior strength training (benching and squats for instance). This is a major cause of joint injuries. Tyrone did a lot of physical training at the end of training including high intensity runs. This is another recipe for disaster.
You havenât a notion. But keep on making a clown of yourself.[/QUOTE]
For a team that played more high intensity football than any other in the 1999-2006 period, Armagh actually remained remarkably injury free over the years, bar Ronan Clarke and John Toal, which shows they must have been doing quite a lot right.