Seems an awful lot of similarities between treatment of aboriginals in Aus and travellers here.
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99% of Travellers are deserving of the treatment. I can’t say if the same is true for aboriginals.
Exhibit A.
Massive difference in the 2 people’s though. The travelers would buy and sell you in a second. The aboriginal people don’t have those skills, brazenness or want to be like travelers.
Are you trying to say they are not? How often do you have to deal with travellers out of curiosity?
In my current job relatively often actually.
What do you mean by want to be like travellers? Both have massive problems that pretty much result in an endless cycle of distrust, lack of education, ability to integrate into society, discrimination, and associated problems.
I come across a lot of Irish people that judge Aussies for their attitudes towards aboriginals but maintain the exact same attitudes towards travellers. I’m not saying a lot of them aren’t cunts, but it’s not entirely their fault, or ours.
Abbos, mate. It’s Abbos…
[quote=“glasagusban, post: 823942, member: 1533”]In my current job relatively often actually.
What do you mean by want to be like travellers? Both have massive problems that pretty much result in an endless cycle of distrust, lack of education, ability to integrate into society, discrimination, and associated problems.
I come across a lot of Irish people that judge Aussies for their attitudes towards aboriginals but maintain the exact same attitudes towards travellers. I’m not saying a lot of them aren’t cunts, but it’s not entirely their fault, or ours.[/quote]
The aboriginals don have the want to make money, steal, generally cause problems for the rest of society like some of the Travelling community do in Ireland. There is a mean streak to Travelers
Wouldn’t a lot of Australians make similar comments about aboriginals? Or at least similarly blanket negative statements.
The issues here with the Indigenous population is ENTIRELY the white mans fault. End of, no question.
Ya they would, but mostly without any real reason to.
It’s more embarrassment, guilt and fear the Aussies portray in relation to the Aboriginals.
I think in Ireland it’s purely mistrust. Travelers in Ireland live the way they want to live. A large population of Aboriginals don’t get to live the life they would like to live.
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 823960, member: 273”]Ya they would, but mostly without any real reason to.
It’s more embarrassment, guilt and fear the Aussies portray in relation to the Aboriginals.
I think in Ireland it’s purely mistrust. Travelers in Ireland live the way they want to live. A large population of Aboriginals don’t get to live the life they would like to live.[/quote]
I don’t know Kev you bang about the treatment of aboriginals but you have the exact same attitudes towards travellers as what you give out about in Aus.
“Travelers in Ireland live the way they want to live” is a pretty huge statement when in reality many that don’t want to be living on the side of the road cannot get access to the housing list let alone a house. The government has made traveller housing a local authority issue while most local authorities focus their efforts on keeping travellers out. I’m not a bleeding heart and not without issues with travellers but absolutely no effort is made to integrate travellers into society, resulting in similar cycles of social problems as the aboriginals.
You’re splitting hairs man. You bang about the treatment of aboriginals but you have the exact same attitudes towards travellers as what you give out about in Aus.
[quote=“glasagusban, post: 823966, member: 1533”]I don’t know Kev you bang about the treatment of aboriginals but you have the exact same attitudes towards travellers as what you give out about in Aus.
“Travelers in Ireland live the way they want to live” is a pretty huge statement when in reality many that don’t want to be living on the side of the road cannot get access to the housing list let alone a house. The government has made traveller housing a local authority issue while most local authorities focus their efforts on keeping travellers out. I’m not a bleeding heart and not without issues with travellers but absolutely no effort is made to integrate travellers into society, resulting in similar cycles of social problems as the aboriginals.
You’re splitting hairs man. You bang about the treatment of aboriginals but you have the exact same attitudes towards travellers as what you give out about in Aus.[/quote]
I have dealt with hundreds of travelers and have yet to meet one that 1. Wants to be integrated into society. 2. Has tried to better themdelves in anyway way really.
Fair enough. But in order to get either of those they need 1 education and 2 opportunities. As far as I can see most don’t get much of either. If you have a family with no education living in a caravan having 10 children that can’t get a house then it’s gonna be pretty hard for the kids to break that cycle.
[quote=“glasagusban, post: 823966, member: 1533”]I don’t know Kev you bang about the treatment of aboriginals but you have the exact same attitudes towards travellers as what you give out about in Aus.
“Travelers in Ireland live the way they want to live” is a pretty huge statement when in reality many that don’t want to be living on the side of the road cannot get access to the housing list let alone a house. The government has made traveller housing a local authority issue while most local authorities focus their efforts on keeping travellers out. I’m not a bleeding heart and not without issues with travellers but absolutely no effort is made to integrate travellers into society, resulting in similar cycles of social problems as the aboriginals.
You’re splitting hairs man. You bang about the treatment of aboriginals but you have the exact same attitudes towards travellers as what you give out about in Aus.[/quote]
Travellers have always lived on the fringes of society and enjoyed some of the material benefits of this, as well as consuming alcohol and working/ trading for a living when it suited… I think what Kev is getting at is that aboriginals are being forced into 20th/21st century living which was/is totally alien to them. Their way of life has been crushed, less than a hundred years ago the majority still lived a traditional life, they’ve been dragged away from that and expected to live up to the white man’s rules in that short period, with their women being raped, their kids taken off them and being introduced to alcohol and drugs which they have no immunity to in the mean time. Travellers may suffer large amounts of discrimination, but they haven’t been ripped from their world in the same manner, and have an abundance of social care should they so chose to have it. Overall, we are/would be more accepting of travellers into our society compared to aboriginals in Oz, they will never be seen as equal nor do most Australians give a fuck about what happens to them.
They can get all the education they want, mate. And many of the women want it for their kids, the fathers are a differnt story and see no use in it. I’ve said it before, I volunteered for a while on the site above on Childers rd, helping them with their home work. There were two kids in particular who were miles ahead of the rest because their mother had done her leaving and the father wanted them to choose their own path, the girl wanted to be a teacher and the young lad a guard, which was totally unusual and he couldn’t share it with the others or he’d be killed. The others kids, where their mothers had to battle the fathers to get some education are only going down one raod unfortunately.
The options are there alright.
Bullshit. They can do whatever they want.
I have no attitude to travelers, you are just reading what you want me to say. I have had good and bad experiences. You are just trying to portray me as a hypocrite, when in reality you have to look at both situations differently.
In my experiences travelers have rejected housing and facilities provided for them. But I know quite a few who have settled and settled well. I have boxed with them and even worked with them. My father had 20 years of interaction with them at work, 20 years of built up trust (letting them into yard to take copper and scrap) ruined because one day he asked them not to come in as there was people coming to look at buying the company he worked for. They vandalized the whole place over night. It was upsetting.
I’m not sure you really know anything of the Aboriginals situation the way you are talking. They are much different people in a much different situation. Most Irish people here rubbish comparisons to our Travelers.
Fuck travelers.
I have done…
There’s no depths you didnt plunge is there.