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[carryharry]

Why would you presume that?

[Fagan_ODowd]

@johnnysachs

Chinese own 15% of US Debt. They bank role a lot of countries to be fair. Not a good thing

I wonder have the Chinese thought through how this debt will be repaid if they turn hostile to the West?

[Fagan_ODowd]

@BruidheanChaorthainn

@Cheasty

I think at this point it is interesting to examine China’s role in Russia’s war in Ukraine.

A year ago I thought that China would provide lip service to Russia and little more but that they were canny enough to largely stay out of things. I think I was think I was wrong on that. I now think China is slowly but inexorably being sucked in by Russia. that China’s fate is now (sort of) tied to Russia’s.

That’s a terrifying prospect. And yet it is difficult for China to provide meaningful armed support to Russia because of the distances involved and because there is so much to lose internationally for China.

I suspect Xi Jinping is a failing leader and China is a failing country. It is no longer the most populous country in the world, but more importantly, it has an ageing population and a negative migration rate. Its demographics are terrible. It’s not hard to see how the long held conventional wisdom that the 21st century was going to be one of Chinese dominance could be proven spectacularly wrong, and instead it could turn into a century of Chinese folly and disaster.

I think Xi Jinping is a fool. He has allowed Putin to groom him, and his fate is increasingly becoming linked to a failing Putin. Putin was the smarter one in this deal, though he himself was a fool.

The ostensible “plausible” reason Russian stooges put forward for Putin’s war in Ukraine was that Russia was “surrounded” by NATO (bullshit of course).

The nightmare prospect for Xi Jinping or any Chinese leader, is that Putin ends up being Ceaucescued and a western friendly regime comes to power in Russia. That may not be likely, but it is possible. Then, China would lose its main ally and have a western friendly power looming over it to the north, bordering it. And Xi would have presided over this. And if that happened, invading Taiwan would be either a pipe dream, or a Hitler like gamble and folly.

If China gets more involved in Russia’s war, the prospect of increasing or total economic isolation of China by the west starts to move into view. And if it invades Taiwan, that total economic isolation of China by the west will happen. I floated this possibility elsewhere on the INTERNET a year ago and people told me I was mad. “The west depends far too much on China, it’ll never happen.”

Well, Russia thought the west depended far too much on it, and guess what, it didn’t. China is far easier for the west to isolate. Because they don’t make or produce stuff we need and anything they do make, we can get from elsewhere or make ourselves.

China’s dependence on the west is total. If the west does to China what it has done to Russia economically, China is FUCKED.

Regime change in China could make regime change in Russia seem like a teddy bear’s picnic.

If china invaded Taiwan would there be immediate international sanctions? I heard the baby food factory in Askeaton are already worried about the change in population in china. If sanctions came in I presume Irish farmers would be stopped from exporting goods to china.

I’m sure they would. Farmers would have to gravitate away from dairy.

[flattythehurdler]

I’ve heard it likened to a hostage situation, with 'murica inside with a gun to the head of the eldest daughter.
I’d imagine the Chinese could slowly but surely tank the dollar, if they were prepared to cut their face off to spite their face.

[glenshane]

This has created quite the stir

Garland Nixon

[Tim_Riggins]

You follow that lad?

[glenshane]

Funnily enough i wasn’t aware of him until today…but you were, so you must be guilty of some association trespass

[Tim_Riggins]

I wonder will his prediction on Taiwan be as accurate as his tweets laughing at the idea of Russia invading last year.

[glenshane]

No idea tim. Why?

[Tim_Riggins]

Are you in “just asking questions” mode?

[glenshane]

Well it’s just one question, but whatever you think. It’s a helluva tweet though…the Taiwan one…

[TreatyStones]

Sounds legit.

[glenshane]

That’s why it’s a helluva tweet i suppose

[myboyblue]

Gas cunts

[glenshane]

Ah now, leave gwyneth out of it

[Cheasty]

The one great thing about @glenshane is he’s a one man encyclopedia of INTERNET headbangers pretty much nobody else has ever heard of and generally links to at least one of them a day. There are probably PHD students researching online disinformation who have based their entire theses on a list of spambots the Dungiven man has linked to here. It’s an amazing free service.

[Tim_Riggins]

The schtick of your man is to post “satire” in amongst the anti American stuff. Satire was added as a cover a few months ago as even Musk banned him. It’s gas seeing the lemons retweet all of your man’s tweets, they’ve managed to work themselves into a shoot.

[LionelRitchie]

@Alan-partridge

I read an article recently that apparently China is buying up huge swaths of land in Vietnam for manufacturing purposes, cheaper labour and possibly sidestepping future sanctions

That’s been going on for well over a decade. Problem is infrastructure in Vietnam, Cambodia and, to a less extent, Thailand are still miles behind being able to service exports efficiently. Be it consistent energy, road infrastructure, ports- all still miles off being able to shift in a substantial manner.

But the Chinese play the long game.

[LionelRitchie]

@Fagan_ODowd

@johnnysachs

Chinese own 15% of US Debt. They bank role a lot of countries to be fair. Not a good thing

I wonder have the Chinese thought through how this debt will be repaid if they turn hostile to the West?

And vice versa, where’s the tipping point for the yanks where a fight is worth more than servicing the debts

[glenshane]

This garland nixon fella has the a few lads in a bit of a spin…they need to recognise when they’re being satirised