Brexit a dó

Its like finding your kid with a face full of chocolate and an empty biscuit tin and him trying to blame the biscuits

This wan is/was pro brexit :slightly_smiling_face::slightly_smiling_face::slightly_smiling_face:

She fails to make any mention of that in the article.

She most certainly does

Growth of economy 2022

UK economy: -0.3%
Russia economy: +0.7%

Boris doing a chicken run to Henley the fat cunt.

You can’t put a price on sovereignty Alan. Didn’t you get the memo?

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It’s an interesting one, how long it will take John bull to swallow pride and move back, well chastened, into the EU, humbler perhaps than before. Final nail in the “empire” shite was brexit.
I was chatting to a young lass who hopper and I bring swimming on a Saturday. I thought she’d be late teens, but hadn’t given it much thought really. We were discussing it over coffee (McDonalds) after. I opined that England would be back in the single market in about 10-15 years, poorer in every way. She asked did I really think so. I said that her generation could and would reverse this having had it inflicted upon them. She said that she couldn’t wait to vote next year.when she was old enough. It’ll take as little as standing in passport control queues to change the minds of most folk tbh.

“ Responding to the latest IMF’s predictions, Chancellor Jeremy Hunt said: "Our IMF growth forecasts have been upgraded by more than any other G7 country.

“The IMF now say we are on the right track for economic growth. By sticking to the plan we will more than halve inflation this year, easing the pressure on everyone.”

If Labour get in at the next election, they may only last five years in power. That may not be enough to change things. They may not have the the real will to change things, because though Starmer is a European at heart, his Labour party doesn’t seem to have the real stomach to change things much for the better.

Starmer is unlikely to confront the big lie of Brexit head on. He does not have the rhetorical gifts of Blair and if he becomes PM, he’s likely to become a punching bag as soon as he does so.

Because Starmer will not have the gumption to address things head on and tell the British people they were lied to, his attempts to remedy things will likely be by attempting to dress them up as something else. . This could lead to a revitalisation of right wing conspiracism and a revitalisation of the cunts pushing the big lie of Brexit. They will find it easier when they’re out of power because they will no longer have any responsibility. There’s no knowing how bad the UK’s information hellscape could get, but it’s only likely to get worse.

So you may have the Tories back in in 2029 under either Johnson or some other utter crackpot who is much worse again, and who knows where the fuck that leads.

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You might, but I think demographics are against them. And everyone normal under the age of 65 absolutely hates them.

Demographics went from electing New Labour in a landslide to voting for Brexit 19 years later.

People age.

They do.

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You are assuming the Europeans will take them back. The French were slow enough to let them in to start with

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I think they would. That’s just my thoughts on it though.

The EU would have to think very long and very hard about it, and the process would be very long.

There is also the issue of what currency the UK would use if it returned to the EU. The UK will never give up sterling.

So the likelihood is the best situation that can be salvaged is they go back into the single market as a rule taker, but not the EU.

But the information hellscape is only likely to get worse, and lowest common denominator Murdoch style narratives more dominant, not less.

The biggest problem is disinformation and boneheaded nationalism. This problem will never go away, because it pays.

I think the process wouldn’t be too long, they only just left sure. But I think it would or should a couple decades before they join again. They’ll probably do some sort of Norway style deal and leave it at that.

I would assume on a practical level the EU wouldn’t want to take back the UK for a very long time due to the chaos they’ve caused in the EU in the last decade and the amount of management time they’ve wasted. In any event I’d expect it would be at least 20 years before the UK would have another referendum to go back in. A lot of the current dunderheaded generation would have had to have died off and the next generation would have to be better informed. Things would want to get very stark before the UK could admit to itself it made a terrible mistake. I’d say they’ll muddle along for a few decades and there’s always the unlikely prospect of an economic boom appearing out of nowhere in which case all bets are off.
Other than that who knows what unforeseen events are just around the corner.

If they do a Norway deal under Starmer or under whoever, it’ll likely be pulled apart by pervasive disinformation, and the whole cycle will begin again.

Right wing nutcases never sleep.

The problem is the wild west of disinformation. It destroys liberal democracy because it turns people into screaming mentalists and the screaming mentalists are by far the loudest, so their bullshit narratives travel and gain traction, and they destroy real public debate. Also public debate is increasingly being carried out by social media accounts that are not real people. This will only get worse with AI.

There is no guarantee the “next generation” will be any more informed. Probably the opposite. They’ll likely be even bigger dunderheads because they’ll get their “news” from dunderhead social media.

The biggest push factor among the UK public back towards the EU will be the simple fact they’re not in it. The grass being greener on the other side.

The grass supposedly being greener on the other side was the main reason they voted out. It’s no more complicated than that.