BREXIT thread

Marxists don’t change their mind mate, they are wedded to their loon ideology.

At every stage of this process May has boxed herself in and she continues to do so.

Her negotiating strategy has been borne of weakness at every step. She’s tried to be more Brexity than than even the hard Brexiteers themselves. The fake projection of power, the fake hubris that Britain is still a great power, the comically unconvincing projection of the “don’t mess with us, we’re Britain” attitude has been pure pantomime.

I think her socially awkward nature has badly hampered her. Socially awkward people often try to project a personality that they know they are not. The thing is, they are usually unsure exactly what it is they should be projecting. May has been deeply unsure of what it is she should be projecting, except for having some vague idea that she should project herself as a pound shop Thatcher who is not for turning. In the highly pressurised environment of international treaty negotiations, what on earth could go wrong?

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It’s basically why capitalism wins. Capitalism is pretty much completely unprincipled except for the single principle of capital above all.

I think May has to get credit for taking on Brexit at all. Cameron ran away from it and not one single member of the Tory party wants to lead through it. She has got nothing but abuse in relation to it and I wonder how she keeps going to be honest.

That’s not to say that she has done a good job with it which she obviously hasn’t.

I disagree, May has actually done a very good job as a remain voter. She took 2 and a half years to secure a withdrawal agreement with the EU that she knew well would never be passed in Westminster.

She has more or less fooled the public over there and set in motion a “people’s referendum”

Capitalism allied with democracy is the primary reason for the creation of wealth and elimination of poverty. Compare countries who have embraced capitalism with countries who have embraced socialism (actual socialism as espoused by Marxists like Corbyn and his followers on here).

No question capitalism is prone to corruption, but if government has any role in the economy it is to limit abuse and corruption, rather than embrace it. Leftists love to point to Norway as an example of what socialism looks like, which is a nonsense. Norway is a shining example of the success of capitalism, with no tolerance for government corruption or crony capitalism. Norway is and has been for decades governed by centrists, the Marxists (SLP) are a small minority party with little influence.

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I wonder do you seriously believe this. You’re an intelligent man (man is presumed - apologies if incorrect) but seriously?

Over the last few years I have watched an exponential increase in the number of food banks. Having to go to a food bank must be in 2019 one of the most degrading experiences I can imagine. I’d rob a bank (maybe even the Northern) before I’d go begging for food to feed my children. That sort of desperation drives an extreme society.

Has capitalism no responsibility for the ever increasing gap between the rich and poor, particularly since the start of the recession in 2008?

What are your thoughts on that, mate.

He really isn’t.

I agree. But that’s the scale of change Corbyn wants to implement.

I’d always be wary of a political leader when it comes to the term “change” after Obama’s failure over two consecutive terms, mate.

How much energy and resources has British politics wasted on this idiotic right wing identity politics project since 2015?

Energy and resources that could have been concentrated on real issues that affect real people, not some abstract fantasy of an undeliverable return to Ye Olde Great Britain of Ye Olde Empire.

It’s utterly criminal.

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No, the gap between rich and poor is due to government policy. Specifically the actions of central banks who blow asset bubbles in an attempt to “manage” the economy and then burst the same bubbles in an attempt to manufacture soft landings. The crash of 2008 was caused specifically by government policy, deregulation of banks and driving an unsustainable property boom.

The gap between rich and poor has exploded because the value of assets like stocks and bonds have had a massive increase since 2009 and as the rich own most of those assets, their wealth skyrockets.

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As may the whole of Europe.

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Absolute wage growth has also stalled since the early 80’s vs cost of living.

Is that just a cost of capitalism?

I do. I would also fundamentally favor the Norway model, but Marxism isn’t the way to get there.

Up there with previous Labour leader Tony Blair’s Iraq war?

Utterly criminal indeed.

Capitalism certainly creates wealth but almost exlusively for the wealthy. It certainly does not eliminate poverty and in fact depends on poverty and the bait of middle class luxury to create the divisions among the have nots that allow it to flourish

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