Just for clarification, Anne Widdecombe didn’t say this, it was Goebbels.
Cue outraged cries of “fake news” from house UKIPper @Special_Olympiakos.
Obviously my point was that what Widdecombe actually said was just Goebbels type words repackaged.
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a certain section of society is. We are heading for a major war in Western Europe within 20 years if the likes of Farage are not dealt with
Not yet. Societies with a strong middle class don’t tend to go to war (outside of US world policeman role) as they have too much to lose. Even in Germany the Nazi party support was slipping before they seized power as the economy recovered. I suppose an analogy might be a snap election soon against backdrop of the Brexit issue could see some unintended consequences and Brexit party taking a more central role which would be a worry. A Labour (without Corbyn) Lib Dem coalition is most likely next British government
However an eradication of the middle class by increasing automation of jobs and increased climate change measures is a concern and could lead to war.
It was had there been an election three months ago.
It’s looking pretty unlikely if there’s an October election.
The only thing that could open the door for it is if Farage gets notions he could be PM, doesn’t stand his party aside in Tory v Lab/Lib marginals, and splits the vote with the Tories.
If the Tories get to November and have exited, deal or no deal, Farage is done. Then they have a chance of winning some Labour remain seats. But I think that the public are sick of the Tories now and they will be booted out anyway.
I think there will be an election in October and a pact between Johnson and Farage to push Britain over the cliff, resulting in an increased Tory majority, and full steam ahead for the cliff.
Pro-Brexit rhetoric has ramped up a lot since March and Brexit now means no deal. No deal fervour is almost religious now, and the key thing is that all of those people will turn out to vote.
I think the tories will get obliterated in Scotland. The welch will vote with their pockets as always, I think the brexit party will take a few seats, but not that many. I think the bulk of the vote will split fairly evenly between Labour libdems and tories. How that divides into seats is anyone’s guess.
In any case, I think odds are very much against a pre brexit election. I think a post Brexit election is far more likely. Labour with corbyn haven’t a prayer whatever happens, as nobody trusts him, and almost every remainer I speak to (the majority of the middle aged middle class) blame corbyn as much as the tories, rightly or not, and without the Centre, a party cannot govern.
I honestly think the best the EU can do out of a bad series of choices, is to stand absolutely firm, but be willing to openly extend the arms of friendship when a more moderate uk govt eventually emerges.
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You think that’s a possibility? Farage doesn’t ever want to be PM or even a minister in my view.
A lot of the angry betrayed youth will also vote. How they vote is the question.
The other, and perhaps biggest question, is whether Labour replace corbyn with someone more moderate. If they do, the others are all toast.
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People said that about Trump as well (not me). They were dead wrong.
Never underestimate the lust for power these people have.
Farage doesn’t stand to lose anything personally from no deal, he only stands to gain. It’s the same with Rees-Mogg, Johnson and all the other pro-Brexit nihilists.
They live in a cossetted, privileged bubble. None of them live in the real world of unemployment, welfare cuts, zero hours contracts or poor job security, high mortgages, extortionate rents, food banks etc. This is the world other people inhabit.
It’s why they can all afford to be so smug and perform to “character” in public. They’re coining it, whatever happens.
Brexit, Trumpism and all the other bastard offshoots of it internationally are kleptocratic, elitist, 1% projects.
Corbyn won’t be replaced before an election and don’t expect the youth vote to be up on 2017.
hard landing coming up …brace yereselves 
The Tories will probably get obliterated in Scotland, but that’s what, 10 seats.
There are two “pools” in which parties will be fishing for votes.
The Tory/Brexit/no deal pool and the Lab/Lib/Green/Remain/pool.
The second are far more likely to split votes and let in the Tories again.
If they gave him a knighthood or a peerage he would fuck off
I don’t think he’d ever fuck off, he wants attention, but he doesn’t want responsibility. I don’t think he has any ambition of being in a position of responsibility.
His ego is more powerful than any desire he might have to not have responsibility
People said the same about Johnson as well, that he didn’t want responsibility
Johnson is going to be PM in a couple of weeks
10 seats is a lot in a balanced election sid. Look what ten seats either way has done now.
The youth vote depends on whether brexit is done or not, and how hard the disruption is if so.
@Ashman, a few of the excerpts in this article give some insight into the degree that Britain has been incompetent on this stuff and that Ireland has been fairly diligent about preparing. In fairness to the British officials they have been completely undermined by the direction they were given from their ministers.