BREXIT thread

If the Brexiters were sincere about “taking back control” then they would be doing everything they could to strengthen the domestic institutions which would have to take the strain.
But what have they done in practice?


Let’s look at Parliament.

They wanted to bypass it for the notification.

They - literally - held it in contempt.

They now casually talk of proroguing parliament.

Could status of Parliament be any lower to them?

Taking back control?


Let’s look at the courts?

“Enemies of the People”

Look at the independent civil service?

Trashing of Rogers, Robbins, now Darroch.

Look everywhere.

See what I mean?

Brexiters are trashing domestic institutions more than “Brussels Bureaucrats” have ever done.


This is not about “taking back control”.

Brexiters are trashing domestic institutions as much as they trash the EU.

This is not “fake news” - the examples are too numerous.

This is something far more sinister.


This is aggressive nationalistic destructive populism.

Any entity - in EU or UK - is to be trashed in the name of “the people”.

Any opposition is treacherous.


What mad fools our political and media classes were to allow the referendum to become this grand wrecking device.

Taking back control?

There will be nothing left with the authority and legitimacy to take control.

All must be trashed, in the name of “the people”.


Nothing good will come of this.

8 & ends.

Pat Leahy lays out the hard choices coming down the road

Reality intrudes on the Government’s Brexit game plan

Pat leahy is not that bad but fancies himself as a bit of a know it all.

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Was there ever an IT hack that didn’t ?

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Helen mcentee looks in her mid fifties there.

Good point. Leahy more than most I think. He keeps questioning whether the government should climb down a bit to avoid a hard brexit, the quisling.

Can you post the full article, please?

No wonder you like him.

The Brexit planning document published by the Government on Tuesday is reminiscent of the warnings about the Irish economy and housing market that proliferated in the first phase of the economic crash a decade ago.

It is one of the most alarming documents ever published by an Irish government.

It warns of “profound implications for Ireland on all levels” elaborating that they involve “severe macroeconomic, trade and sectoral challenges both in the immediate term and in the longer term”.

It warns darkly of “difficult and significant choices of a practical, strategic and political nature”.

And even though it puts the best gloss possible on the intensive preparations the civil service has been making for Brexit, it acknowledges that even so, there will be significant damage North and South if a no-deal Brexit occurs.

“A no-deal Brexit will be highly disruptive and will have profound political, economic and legal implications, first and foremost for the UK, including most significantly Northern Ireland, as well as having significant impacts on Ireland and the rest of the EU,” it says. Written in low-key officialise, it is a sobering read.

Warnings

Later in the afternoon, the Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney and the Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe elaborated on the warnings in the dry print of the official document.

“The truth is we will need to take some action somewhere in our economy to ensure that we are protecting the integrity of the products that are then going to be sold on off Ireland,” Mr Coveney

Translation: there may have to be checks on important imports from the North after all. But not, he insisted, on the Border. But somewhere else?

Brexit game plan

Yes. The publication of the document marked the extent to which reality is intruding on the Government’s Brexit game plan.

If the British government has long promised two things which are, on the face of it, mutually exclusive – ie, leaving the single market and customs union while having no disruption to trade on the Border – the Irish Government has been guilty of something similar: promising to protect the single market while insisting there would be no Border checks.

On Tuesday that position was refined in a subtle but important way: the Government admitted that there will have to be checks, but insists that it will not take place on the Border. But if not on the Border – then where? That is the question that now moves centre stage in the Government’s Brexit planning.

Discussions continue with the European Commission on how to “protect the single market”. But it is clear that something important has shifted in that conversation.

Full picture

The previous assurances – how many times have you heard the Taoiseach or Tánaiste say “There will be no physical infrastructure or related checks or controls” – are no longer quite the full picture. The Government has relished wearing the green jersey on Brexit and standing up to the British with the help of the EU, and has been aware of the political benefits of doing so. But now the pitfalls begin to emerge from the fog.

Varadkar and Coveney have often said there is no such thing as a good Brexit for Ireland. That may be true also for the Government. Government Ministers and officials are at pains to point out that this isn’t their fault; the hardening of the British position has outflanked the careful compromises and delicate architecture of the withdrawal agreement and its backstop. And they’re right.

The British, for their part, say that they won’t put up a border, no matter what. If the Irish and the EU want one, that’s their business. An emerging blame game is already in evidence.

But there’s a danger that everyone spends the next two months trying to avoid the blame for a crash-out Brexit, rather than trying to avoid a crash-out Brexit.

There’s another question that will surface too. Once the new British government takes office, the focus will shift to the backstop, which remains the biggest obstacle to the acceptance of the withdrawal agreement by the House of Commons.

Intense pressure

If a concession on the backstop materialises – perhaps a time-limiting protocol; a legal codicil which specifies a review in the absence of agreement; something, anything to give the new prime minster an opportunity to bring the withdrawal agreement back to the House of Commons – then there will surely be intense pressure on the Irish Government to accept it.

After all, isn’t the possibility of Border checks in a few year’s time better than the certainty of checks on October 31st?

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has previously insisted that this has to be settled now. But does it really? Varadkar may find he has to make the case for not kicking the can down the road. Politicians usually find themselves making the opposite argument.

That is the next phase. After the summer interlude and the change of government in the UK, Brexit will become centre stage in Irish politics once again.

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There’s so much irony dripping off this post that it has formed a puddle on the ground and now my socks are wet…

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Thanks

… [ insert swimming joke here ]…

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-sir-john-major-threatens-17794135

But every Irish person has always said that no-deal would mean border checks, why is he presenting this as news?

Pat does analysis not news

Kim Darroch has resigned as UK ambassador to the US

A shameful hit job on a man simply doing his job

The no deal crazies have taken over

Expect a Trump lackey to be appointed

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Tommy Robinson could be the man for it

Can an asylum seeker like Yaxley-Lennon technically be ambassador to the country he’s seeking asylum in?

I’d have thought reasonable people just want him put in an asylum