The EU had no role in lack of wars . The threat of the Soviet empire kept peace in Western Europe from 1945 -1989 & from mid noughties the threat of Mr Putin .
The EU has had its success but the notion that it stopped Germany and France going to war is nice but not really so .
Bollocks.
Keep telling yourself something often enough and you will believe it .
You can’t prove that a multi-lateral body prevented a war that didn’t happen, and nor can you prove that they didn’t
What you can say is that the EU fosters economic integration, diplomatic understanding between its members - a spirit of help and generosity (monetary or otherwise) between its members, tolerance and understanding between peoples - and the breaking down of internal borders
It fosters prosperity
All those things are things which unquestionably help to foster peace
Partnership rather than rivalry promotes peace
What promotes war is rivalry
The notion of “making a country great” is indivisible from rivalry and it is ultimately indivisible from war
Most wars between states or peoples are fought because some country or people believed themselves to be “great”
The right-wing that have come to power all over the world all consider rivalry and the destruction of multi-lateral co-operation as a good thing
It’s a terrible thing
What Trump and Putin, Johnson, Netanyahu, Modi, Bolsonaro and all the other charalatans really want is a world where multi-lateral co-operation is killed off and the big, powerful bellicose countries can throw their weight around and bully smaller countries
Despots in smaller, less powerful countries like Orban or those in Poland will be their willing dupes because they will stand to gain massively monetarily and have untramelled power over their fiefdoms
Those who claimed to warn about the road to serfdom, are actually dead set on that exact thing
The EU, imperfect as it is, stands against that, and that is why we should cherish it
The French wouldn’t bate eggs. That’s what’s prevented a war, the memory of being overrun by the Germans three times in 70 years.
That might be what defeats LePen. “If we vote for this bitch she’ll have us off invading Luxembourg or Algeria and we’ll get slaughtered again. Sacre bleu.”
A reminder that Spiked Online which employs fascist agitator Brendan O’Neill is funded by the Koch Brothers, or Koch Brother, as it is now, a minute’s silence for that one
You’d think France and Italy would have gone to war with each other, just so one of them could say they’d at least won one war
That too
That the same Fascist agitator who has said on numerous occasions before the judgement that he believed the progrogation was wrong? And you called yourself nuanced…
You seem very keen to avoid dealing with O’Neill calling for riots
Your silence speaks volumes
Doesn’t it
What is it with Brexiteers and wanting violence
Impearialist mindset begets violence
What is it with Brexiteers and threats of violence
Nothing to see here… as per article
Why do public figures who support Brexit so consistently use language which is deliberately highly inflammatory and/or calls for violence?
The thing about people like Farage is they take their supporters for idiots
Farage knows that the likes of you will defend literally anything a Brexiteer says or does
It’s the likes of you I feel sorry for, led completely up the garden path by con men
There’s no difference between Farage, Johnson, Rees Mogg and Banks etc. and that guy who conned that woman out 400 quid for an All-Ireland final ticket that didn’t exist
Although on reflection there probably is a lot of difference - I suppose the All-Ireland ticket con man didn’t call for people to be knifed or for there to be riots, and was only a petty thief, rather than sommebody out to feather his own nest on a grandiose scale at the expense of the entire population
I see on the news that the currency speculators/hedge fund piece is being challenged in the commons now.
Johnson is unhinged. Lemmings over a cliff.
Apparently the Caribbean, Pakistan, Syria and Turkey are all in the EU and London looks just like them all
At least according to a founder member of the Brexit Party
It’s all very Reichstag fire, isn’t it
Boris Johnson is deliberately whipping up fears of riots and deaths so he can try to invoke emergency powers and avoid extending the UK’s EU membership beyond 31 October, Labour’s Brexit spokesman, Keir Starmer, claimed on Saturday.
After a week in which the prime minister was accused by MPs from all the main parties, including senior Tories, of inciting violence by accusing Remainers of Brexit “surrender” and “betrayal”, Starmer said it was part of an orchestrated plan to stoke a sense of outrage among Leave voters and create civil unrest, so an extension might be avoided.
Increasingly MPs across the House of Commons believe Downing St is considering using the Civil Contingencies Act 2004, which grants special powers in the event of a national emergency, as a way to override the so-called Benn act, which mandates the prime minister to seek a delay to Brexit if no deal has been struck with Brussels by 19 October.
Johnson describes this as the “surrender act” and insists he will not under any circumstances ask for an extension. After heated exchanges in parliament last Wednesday he rejected pleas to tone down his language from female MPs who invoked the memory of their murdered colleague Jo Cox and said they increasingly feared for their safety as Brexit tensions rose in their constituencies.
Starmer told the Observer that Downing St’s strategy was clear – to stoke tensions – but warned Johnson that any attempt to invoke the Civil Contingencies Act would be defeated in the courts.
“Whipping up the idea of riots or even deaths if we do not leave the EU on 31 October is the height of irresponsibility,” he said. “But it is also pretty obviously being orchestrated. If this is part of a government plan to misuse powers under emergency legislation, I can assure the prime minister we will defeat him in court and in parliament.”
Johnson is expected to continue his attacks on Remainers this week at the Tory party conference in Manchester where the slogan will be “Get Brexit Done”.
Former Tory MP and attorney general Dominic Grieve said he could see no other possible way Downing Street could comply with the law and deliver Brexit on time. “The Civil Contingencies Act is the only possible route I can imagine they can be thinking of,” Grieve said. “But if they do try to do this it would be a constitutional outrage. And if it passed through parliament it would be immediately challenged in the courts.”
Allies of Johnson have warned in recent days that the UK will face civil disorder on the scale of the gilets jaunes protests in France if Brexit was to be delayed or reversed.
Senior Labour sources said that possible use of the Civil Contingencies Act to trump the Benn act was on a list of options that the party’s legal advisers believe Downing Street might use.
After 11 supreme court judges ruled unanimously last week that Johnson’s decision to shut parliament for five weeks had been unlawful and declared prorogation null and void, MPs say there are signs of increasing desperation at No 10 as it faces the prospects of more defeats in both parliament and the courts.
Some minor parties are pressing hard to pass a motion censuring Johnson, forcing him to apologise for the language he has used against his Brexit opponents. Plaid Cymru’s Liz Saville-Roberts has even asked Speaker John Bercow whether she can table a motion to impeach Johnson. Another avenue being examined is to censure Johnson should he appear before the liaison committee of MPs.
Last week the former Tory prime minister John Major said he feared the Johnson government would try to bypass the Benn Act through an order of council. “It is important to note that an order of council can be passed by privy councillors – that is government ministers – without involving HM the Queen,” he said, adding: “I should warn the prime minister that – if this route is taken – it will be in flagrant defiance of parliament and utterly disrespectful to the supreme court. It would be a piece of political chicanery that no one should ever forgive or forget.”
The Civil Contingencies Act provides the government with powers to create emergency regulations at times of national crisis and threats to safety (including wartime), emergencies that threaten “serious damage to human welfare”, or to the environment or the security of the UK. Damage to human welfare is defined in the act to include disruption to transport networks or to the supply of food, money, energy, or health services.
Downing St sources said it was not planning to use the Civil Contingencies Act. A spokesman added: “The prime minister is determined to deliver Brexit on time and he will abide by the law.”
Senior Labour sources played down suggestions by the Scottish National party that the opposition parties could this week table a vote no confidence in Boris Johnson’s government, with a view to installing a caretaker administration led by Jeremy Corbyn who would then apply for an extension to Brexit and call an election.
While Labour is not publicly ruling out the move, shadow cabinet members privately say they will only move once an extension to Brexit has been guaranteed. The Liberal Democrats and other opposition parties, as well as former Tory MPs and independents, say they will not under any circumstances agree to install Corbyn in Downing Street, even temporarily.
Anna Soubry, leader of the Independent Group for Change, which has five MPs, said: “We need to keep the prime minister held firmly accountable for the mess he has created. We do not want any votes of no confidence until that extension is up and running and even then I will only support a vote of no confidence knowing that it will result in a government of national unity resulting in a people’s vote confirmatory referendum.
“Anything else gives Johnson his escape route. His only plan B is a general election and a general election would not solve Brexit. Only a referendum will sort out Brexit.”
On Saturday the Liberal Democrats announced that Dr Phillip Lee, who recently defected from the Tories, will be their candidate to fight the veteran Tory and hard-line Brexiter John Redwood in Wokingham, to set up a Leave v Remain contest in the Berkshire seat.
Boris lust for power has overcome him. Anything goes now, anything. He sees himself as the chosen one. He will let his brexit chums down and everyone else too but thats fine as he sees himself as some semi-tragic Greek hero too. His own family have seen this all before. They are the only ones who know whats going on here, his brother turned his back on him and his sister despaired on the only stage that counts, TV.
He knows he’s fucked up and way beyond anything he ever imagined but he believes he has no choice but to plough on. What would Brian Boitano do after all, or in Boris’ case, what would Winston Churchill do. Boris actually believing he’s on a similar tranjectory to Churchill, which he clearly does, might be the scariest part of all of this.
I predict Boris will have a reality TV show at some point in the future where he is on a quest for redemption for all the wrong he has done here
