British Loins Tour to New Zealand 2017 - Official Thread

The Loins have played much better running rugby than the New Zealanders over the two tests so far. We’ve outscored them in tries over the two tests and our tries have all been excellent.

Far from it being the rather unfair and stereotypical “Warrenball” of popular thought, Gatland has gone with flair and the back line is now absolutely fizzing with creativity.

Gatland was also unfairly maligned last time for his style when the Loins won an absolute blockbuster of a test in Brisbane and then destroyed Australia in the decider.

Joe Schmidt has won 2 from 4 Six Nations. Finishing highly the other two times.

His record versus the Southern Hemisphere Big Three is 50%, 50% and 33.33%. In all games bar one, Ireland have been highly competition and arguably could have won. Within that record is Ireland’s first win on tour versus one of those big three in decades, and Ireland’s first win over New Zealand.

His overall international record is 60%.

He gets a pass because of this consistency.

In terms of quality of rugby, Ireland have played some excellent rugby under him. Including scoring 5 tries to beat the All Blacks and the 2015 Six Nations. People also remember that his Leinster sides that won in Europe played some tasty rugby.

In terms of big games lost, there’s been some lost and some won. Big deal, it’s a competitive sport. If Alex Ferguson had been missing Ronaldo and Rooney in 2008 versus Chelsea in that final would you not have a bit of understanding for the situation. Schmidt was missing Paul O’Connell, Peter O’Mahoney, Sean O’Brien, Jonny Sexton and Payne for that quarter final in 2015. It wasn’t like 2011 where we had our big guns available and completely fucked up.

Gatland has two grand slams, fair. But his Southern Hemisphere record with Wales is like two wins in 9 years. Overall his Welsh teams have not been consistent, with just a 50% record. So both of them have some good on their CV, but Schmidt’s teams have been far more consistent. Gatland won’t get the All Blacks job because of this. Gatland can get Wales playing out of their skin against England or Ireland, but too often his teams cannot sustain his gameplan. He’s a motivator as a coach, and that’s tough to keep up.

In terms of criticism, sure he might deserve more but most people have a bit of objectivity. If the roles were reversed you would be lambasting Gatland for his overall record as a national coach with the facts above.

Here you are though, watching every single minute of Munster, Irish and Lions rugby and posting dozens of times a game hoping to get bites. The investment of your time is quite something.

Listen, the LOINS is about more than results, it’s about a feeling deep inside you. Gatland doesnt give the LOINS fans that feeling.

Outside of that he’s a lovely man and a great coach.

Idd that oirish rugby fans talk about results in friendlies rather than performances at world cups where Schmidt shamed our nation

According to your logic Gatland is vindicated by today’s “friendly” result.

There are no friendlies in rugby . Every time you take the field you are challenged .

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People said gats team was wrong for this game.they were wrong

What do the baabaas play?

Rugby.

“Friendlies” matter now mate?

Nope.who said they did

Sean O’Brien has been cited for a chop to a kiwi lads head.

https://youtu.be/D_EqU1qxf_Q

Conor Murray got his 4th test try against the all blacks yesterday. two test wins. Big game player

There’s nothing in that Sean O’Brien incident. He’s clearly trying to dislodge the ball. You’d see at least 100 incidents a lot worse in any Ulster championship match.

Woukdnt surprise me if he is banned though. On outcome based approach he’s fucked player was spark out and had to go off

Sonny Bill has been handed a 4 week ban.

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He should have been jailed

Is the next British Lions tour in South Africa?

Yesh

A lot of you lads must be tempted?

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